Do you live your life by your principles?

You are attacking because what I am saying it troubling you.

Your interpretation of conflicting opinions turns it into an attack?
Ponder over that one. You come to a forum where things aren't taken that seriously or will receive flaming, and posit some beliefs, and wonder why people challenge them.

Seriously, can't you start a blog about this stuff? Or if that's too energy consuming, write it on scaps of paper and leave it on tube seats?

I am writing something actually, but I do find it interesting how immediate the 'response' is.

I am writing something actually, but I do find it interesting how immediate the 'response' is.

Seriously, Paul-Michel or whoever you are, you could do with some professional help.

the IT equipment in Clefty's flat emits more CO2 than the airline industry in UK.

fixed.

Anyway, the point of this thread was not to discuss the pros and cons of what I believe.

It was a simple question - do you see yourself as living your life by your principles?

Clearly many of you do not, as you've already started coming out with the classic arguments of it would be unrealistic to do so, niave, etc...

It is fine if you are a hardcore free market capitalist, but what is a bit sad is if you believe in or want something else, but you bury the feeling because you deem it unrealistic. And it was that sort of person I had hoped to uncover, because I'd like to explore their thought processes. This thraed has nothing to do with me, I'm interested solely in others.

Anyway, the point of this thread was not to discuss the pros and cons of what I believe.

It was a simple question - do you see yourself as living your life by your principles?

and my principles are very different to yours, I for one do not believe that we are under the thrall of the lizard masters who will one day rule us all

And if I was talking such rubbish then you wouldnt respond.

"...Forum to Tynan, come in Tynan..."

Knoydart, I think you mean well but you're way ahead of yourself here.

Knoydart; if you want a serious answer then my view is this: It's too late for hope. Climate change is going to destroy most of life on earth, there will be no recognisable 'civilisation' and the living may well envy the dead. Nothing you can do as an individual can change this. The only effect will be on yourself and your sense of having lived by your principles. It is a lost cause, the only actors who could have stopped it - governments - did not and are clearly still not willing to do what they can even to mitigate the effects. The great majority of climate change scientists now think that a +4 degree rise is the best we can hope for. The effects of that are horrible beyond belief and that is the most optimistic scenario. +6 or +8 are highly likely; that is, the end of life as we know it.
So cut back, re-use, recycle, do what you like I think you are pissing in the wind if you think that how you live will have any effect on the world. Live your life the way you want to live it for it's own sake not because of any spurious notions of 'hope'.

I have no principals. I am a lawyer.

Fixed.

But really, P-M the second, I'm glad you have suddenly become self aware and have decide to live life the way that you believe that you should, bit the truth is that we all do this when we become adults. we make choices, we decide what is important to us and we live by standards that we set.
I'm guessing that your under 20 and are having an crisis about becoming an adult, fine, but can your coming across as smug (and dumb) to people that don't know you and for the most part don't care to know you. You could be using this energy better elsewhere.

if he says anything pertaining to me can someone quote it? I have him on ignore.

if he says anything pertaining to me can someone quote it? I have him on ignore.

He just said you're foxy.

Now he thinks I'm foxy. Weird.

there was some people in camden today saying "take a leaflet or burn in hellfire".

i wish they didn't live by their principles.

I have no principals. I am a free agent.

Clive, everyone knows perfectly well that your principal is that great big O down at Herne Hill. You are completely in thrall to the track and its cosmic force that's holding you spellbound. You're not a free agent. You keep going around in circles, hypnotised and trapped. It's even in your username--cliveo. I rest my case.

Everyone should think more about themselves. Not in a selfish way, but in a self warness way

What is the difference between thinking about yourself in a selfish way and thinking about yourself in a self warness [sic] way ?

BRB, X Factor is on.

I also have few principles and they are generally disposable.

Yep, I'm with Cliveo here, best to have a wholly flexible epistemology, but a couple of things do underpin it, racism being the most unremitting.

You of all people should realise what hope did to black people - without it you'd still be in chains.

Emancipation came about through practicable means - hope keeps people in chains, action frees people from chains.

Or (to steal GA2G's point of reference):

"The image of the flowers on the chain - 'criticism has plucked the imaginary flowers from the chain, not in order that man shall bear the chain without caprice or consolation, but so that he shall cast off the chain and pluck the living flower"

Here the reference was religion (almost certainly Christianity - and the hope and consolation it offers the oppressed) - but I am quoting this with reference to the idea that (unqualified) hope is in some way 'good' or 'right'.

Knoydart; if you want a serious answer then my view is this: It's too late for hope. Climate change is going to destroy most of life on earth, there will be no recognisable 'civilisation' and the living may well envy the dead. Nothing you can do as an individual can change this. The only effect will be on yourself and your sense of having lived by your principles. It is a lost cause, the only actors who could have stopped it - governments - did not and are clearly still not willing to do what they can even to mitigate the effects. The great majority of climate change scientists now think that a +4 degree rise is the best we can hope for. The effects of that are horrible beyond belief and that is the most optimistic scenario. +6 or +8 are highly likely; that is, the end of life as we know it.
So cut back, re-use, recycle, do what you like I think you are pissing in the wind if you think that how you live will have any effect on the world. Live your life the way you want to live it for it's own sake not because of any spurious notions of 'hope'.

This is a particularly bleak view Will.

It was a simple question - do you see yourself as living your life by your principles?

Yes, I am a masturbating consumer of porn and alcohol - I also like shouting at people and making up swear words.

You filthy Buntchunter

"...Forum to Tynan, come in Tynan..."

:P

1. all life is suffering
   
2. attachment and desire is the cause of suffering
   
3. but you can find peace
   
4. peace is attained by focusing your body and mind on helping others instead of doing harm and by seeking understanding, wisdom and concentration.
   
   

there. secret of life. off you go now.

lets all have some music to mull this little lot over with ^
this track seems about right, even for the initial speech,
ah, thats better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSKpj_pAb6E&feature=related

1. all life is suffering
   
2. attachment and desire is the cause of suffering
   
3. but you can find peace
   
4. peace is attained by focusing your body and mind on helping others instead of doing harm and by seeking understanding, wisdom and concentration.
   
   

there. secret of life. off you go now.

the Four Noble Truths in other words,
Absolutely.

there was some people in camden today saying "take a leaflet or burn in hellfire".

They were me.