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in the latter case, try doing that in the Netherlands or Denmark and see if the stupid vulnerable party gets any less blame. I don't think so. Your witnesses would say 'cyclist nutter' and given a change in law this will happen IMHO and you are OK.
Fair enough. Like I said in my first post on this thread.....
This is similar to the law regarding peds (and cyclists?) here in Norway. I cant decide wether I like it or not TBH.
In principle I really dislike it, and feel that people should share the roads with caution for their own and others well being.
In really thats a load of BS, and anything that reduces accidents and there severity should be considered.
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It seems common sense that the least vulnerable party in any accident should initially be assumed to be responsible. Key word being initially.
Logically, and I concede that most people are pretty illogical, however, logically, you would assume that the most vulnerable party would be aware of their vulnerability and therefore be taking a lot more precautions. Those who are less vulnerable feel safer and so take more risks. As a rule of thumb, generally I think that's fair.
Driving a car is actually quite a big responsibility, in that you are in charge of a machine that can quite easily cause fatal injury. I think it's good to encourage people to think of it in that way.
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we should all just wear one of these
I hope my wife never sees that or she'll have one of them on my back.
After my latest confrontation with a car she has decided that I ought to be wearing hi vis. This has not happened and will not happen but the threat is there and she doesn't need encouragement.
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They totally should! Yesterday morning this woman pushed past me on the right, with a bus on the left I was trying to overtake (and as I was in front of her it should have been OBVIOUS I was going to do this, I was already in line to do so. why do they allow cars that option but not cyclists??). I raced after her and managed to catch her at the light. Asked her politely, "Did you not see me back there?" She answered, "Yes, I saw you." At this point, I'm flabbergasted. If she saw me, why did she do such a dangerous thing? I told her to be careful, it's dangerous, I'm attached to my pedals, blah blah. She just nods and looks at me blankly and says OK.
I look up, see the green light and start to go so I can get back over to the left. Do you know what the bitch did? She zoomed off in front of me, allowing traffic behind her to keep me on the right side, with an island coming up. The gall!
Moral of the story: I only caught up to her because I was clipless. Ha!
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They totally should! Yesterday morning this woman pushed past me on the right, with a bus on the left I was trying to overtake (and as I was in front of her it should have been OBVIOUS I was going to do this, I was already in line to do so. why do they allow cars that option but not cyclists??). I raced after her and managed to catch her at the light. Asked her politely, "Did you not see me back there?" She answered, "Yes, I saw you." At this point, I'm flabbergasted. If she saw me, why did she do such a dangerous thing? I told her to be careful, it's dangerous, I'm attached to my pedals, blah blah. She just nods and looks at me blankly and says OK.
I look up, see the green light and start to go so I can get back over to the left. Do you know what the bitch did? She zoomed off in front of me, allowing traffic behind her to keep me on the right side, with an island coming up. The gall!
Moral of the story: I only caught up to her because I was clipless. Ha!
Have you had any cycle training - e.g. road position stuff?
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I position, I look, I look again, I look a third time, I often don't go around a vehicle b/c it's clear the driver isn't slowing down. But I was trying to get around it and she was not letting me. It was one of those things where as a cyclist you can't start overtaking as long before a vehicle as you would in a car, so I was getting closer and closer to the vehicle and I was in the primary position but just a little too far over, I guess. Still, most drivers give way when that happens. I have a pretty long commute and have to do this regularly, she was just one of those who shaves things closer than she should have.
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Huh?
There are no rules in the highway code. It is a reference manual only.Where on Earth did you pull this from?? I'm pretty sure it's not true.
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All cyclists are lycra clad louts discuss?
Some drivers of motor vehicles are absolute (don't know what word fits best here but best guess) tools. Just like some members of this forum. Maybe better to try and educate those willing to learn to be different.
I'm just glad your here to tell us, unharmed.
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Completely true.
Rules that apply to all road users.
From here - http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety/drs/highwaycode
As I wrote earrlier.
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Why not?
I should look up the laws here; in Florida, the highway code states you must begin signaling intent to turn or overtake not less than 200 feet before the maneuver, and must not start an overtaking maneuver with less than 100 feet between yourself and the vehicle you intend to overtake. On tiny, London roads, at the slower speed of the cyclist, that is not possible without causing problems to other road users. What you can do is signal your intent early, be ignored, try to move in, be ignored, and be forced to stop behind a vehicle if no one will let you around or risk being hit and then told it's your fault.
Of course, there are good drivers who let you through/around/whatever. Luck of the draw that day.
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All I ask for is the same courtesy given other drivers - if I signal, let me in. I'm not so much slower, and that overtaking maneuver I need to make isn't going to delay you so much that you are late to wherever you're going, unless you didn't allow yourself enough time to get there anyway, in which case it's not my fault.
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I should look up the laws here; in Florida, the highway code states you must begin signaling intent to turn or overtake not less than 200 feet before the maneuver, and must not start an overtaking maneuver with less than 100 feet between yourself and the vehicle you intend to overtake. On tiny, London roads, at the slower speed of the cyclist, that is not possible without causing problems to other road users. What you can do is signal your intent early, be ignored, try to move in, be ignored, and be forced to stop behind a vehicle if no one will let you around or risk being hit and then told it's your fault.
Of course, there are good drivers who let you through/around/whatever. Luck of the draw that day.
Problems? I.e. Causing them to go at your pace? That's not a problem. JFDI.
There are strategies for dealing with what you're describing - they're much easier demonstrated than written down, so I'm not going to even attempt to write. Have you received cycle training? If not, do so. If so - maybe a refresher & explain to your instructor the troubles you're encountering.
All I ask for is the same courtesy given other drivers - if I signal, let me in. I'm not so much slower, and that overtaking maneuver I need to make isn't going to delay you so much that you are late to wherever you're going, unless you didn't allow yourself enough time to get there anyway, in which case it's not my fault.
I feel your pain, we all do I think. On the flip side, would not overtaking until you were 100% sure it was safe to do so have delayed you significantly?
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Rules that apply to all road users.
From here - http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety/drs/highwaycode
As I wrote earrlier.
The Highway Code references legislation - Have a read of the paragraphs that begin "You MUST" - they will always have a reference to something like TSRGD or RTA.
It is not in itself a primary source.
The rest is advisory, although to some degree might be used as evidence of best practice.
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Drivers 'should always be blamed for cycle crashes'
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it good because it would encourage drivers to be a lot more careful around cyclists, its bad because its a fucking stupid idea and there are plenty of shite cyclists out there who end up in accidents through no one's fault but their own.