Action Group Meeting - cycling deaths caused by lorries

oh goodness.... now we need not only tea and biscuits but photocopying and presentation facilities. we cant talk to 30 people all at once... need to present the ideas and take feedback and discussion and type it all in, on a big screen, and agree it then and there. yet again its starting to swamp me...........argh!

I wont be able to attend unfortunately. But I would like to suggest an agenda item. Seperate bike lanes.

I've used them in Sweden and Germany and have heard they now have them in New York. They are great for slow or especially vulnerable cyclists (like children). For some reason the idea is not popular here and is usually dismissed.

1. K-tee - construction industry and policy
   
2. Ufrasia - Media, Lobbying.
   
3. Greasy - Admin for Ghostbike.uk and CycleSafeLondon
   
4. Skully - AV post production
   
5. Pistanator
   
6. Libi - Media
   
7. CrazyJames - Photography, with contacts in web design/graphic design/branding etc available if needed.
   
8. Multigrooves - Cycletrainer
   
9. Damo
   
10. Georgieboy
    
11. Twist305 (apologies) - Citizens Advice Bureau head office
    12.Digger-Cycle Instructor (apologies)
    
12. Velocio (apologies) LFGSS, CycleSafeLondon
    
13. Wicksie - graphic design, printing, anything to help, make the tea if need be.
    
14. tomiskinky - Graphic Designer
    
15. Chang - Graphic/motion/web/digital design i've got alot of mates that work in marketing/PR could get some media coverage.
    
16. CheBeef - Work at Law Firm (litigation)
    
17. havingamare - photographer
    
18. loftypavement - student
    
19. williamshatnerpants
    
20. Aroogah - IT Services Exec - commercial, strategic, legal
    
21. CHUG_IT (won't be there but..) Barristers of the highest level
    
22. LdnGrrl. - Lots of free time, will help in any way needed
    

Can I suggest you get an agenda planned and prepared before the meeting
Find some one with the skills to chair the meeting
And agree who will take notes.

I can't make the 22nd btw , but I can help with some of the bureacrtic and project management work. PM if you want help

I'll be able to attend. Might bring a friend whos a 999 call operator if he's free.

. not here

oh goodness.... now we need not only tea and biscuits but photocopying and presentation facilities. we cant talk to 30 people all at once... need to present the ideas and take feedback and discussion and type it all in, on a big screen, and agree it then and there. yet again its starting to swamp me...........argh!

Distribute the skills Kate, you're a great spokesperson and motivator but you shouldn't have to also be the organiser and chair.

There are enough people already involved for the work to be distributed, with everyone committed to making a bit of it work, and then bringing it together in frequent meetings.

Main aim of the meeting? Should a smaller meeting take place with plans (are there action plans?) discussed or is this going to be a huge brainstorm?

Katie can you post your list of ideas and we can prioritise them for the meeting, i am happy to chair it and drive it through keeping it on point if you want to expand ideas/avenues etc

1. K-tee - construction industry and policy
   
2. Ufrasia - Media, Lobbying.
   
3. Greasy - Admin for Ghostbike.uk and CycleSafeLondon
   
4. Skully - AV post production
   
5. Pistanator
   
6. Libi - Media
   
7. CrazyJames - Photography, with contacts in web design/graphic design/branding etc available if needed.
   
8. Multigrooves - Cycletrainer
   
9. Damo
   
10. Georgieboy
    
11. Twist305 (apologies) - Citizens Advice Bureau head office
    12.Digger-Cycle Instructor (apologies)
    
12. Velocio (apologies) LFGSS, CycleSafeLondon
    
13. Wicksie - graphic design, printing, anything to help, make the tea if need be.
    
14. tomiskinky - Graphic Designer
    
15. Chang - Graphic/motion/web/digital design i've got alot of mates that work in marketing/PR could get some media coverage.
    
16. CheBeef - Work at Law Firm (litigation)
    
17. havingamare - photographer
    
18. loftypavement - student
    
19. williamshatnerpants
    
20. Aroogah - IT Services Exec - commercial, strategic, legal
    
21. CHUG_IT (won't be there but..) Barristers of the highest level
    
22. LdnGrrl. - Lots of free time, will help in any way needed
    24.nuknow - Graphic Design
    

It's probably usually dismissed because London's streets are a fixed width and trying to shoe horn in extra lanes is virtually if not actually impossible.

I think we need to be more focused here - the problem is lorries. What are we going to do about lorries? Especially left turning lorries. If we don't keep focused we're not going to achieve anything.

I wont be able to attend unfortunately. But I would like to suggest an agenda item. Seperate bike lanes.

I've used them in Sweden and Germany and have heard they now have them in New York. They are great for slow or especially vulnerable cyclists (like children). For some reason the idea is not popular here and is usually dismissed.

Whoever chairs it should ideally be someone with experience of chairing large meeting - not an easy skill or one that many people have.

1. K-tee - construction industry and policy
   
2. Ufrasia - Media, Lobbying.
   
3. Greasy - Admin for Ghostbike.uk and CycleSafeLondon
   
4. Skully - AV post production
   
5. Pistanator
   
6. Libi - Media
   
7. CrazyJames - Photography, with contacts in web design/graphic design/branding etc available if needed.
   
8. Multigrooves - Cycletrainer
   
9. Damo
   
10. Georgieboy
    
11. Twist305 (apologies) - Citizens Advice Bureau head office
    12.Digger-Cycle Instructor (apologies)
    
12. Velocio (apologies) LFGSS, CycleSafeLondon
    
13. Wicksie - graphic design, printing, anything to help, make the tea if need be.
    
14. tomiskinky - Graphic Designer
    
15. Chang - Graphic/motion/web/digital design i've got alot of mates that work in marketing/PR could get some media coverage.
    
16. CheBeef - Work at Law Firm (litigation)
    
17. havingamare - photographer
    
18. loftypavement - student
    
19. williamshatnerpants
    
20. Aroogah - IT Services Exec - commercial, strategic, legal
    
21. CHUG_IT (won't be there but..) Barristers of the highest level
    
22. LdnGrrl. - Lots of free time, will help in any way needed
    24.nuknow - Graphic Design
    25.Fox - (can't do Tues, could do Wed) marketing/campaigning/PR/lobbying experience
    

Hippy/DK spot on
The outcome of this meeting is to agree what actions we will take in the immediate future: 2 to 6 weeks
These actions should be achievable by the people on here and not require specialist skills/connections

It needs to be focused on HGV dangerous only, We need details of previous campaigns and current road statistics (I can get the latter)
We need to understand what related campaigns are active and pending by other bodies – repetition has massive value at times.

A second discussion should take on the longer term issues and take on board campaigns running with Roadpeace. LCC, moving target etc.. but not here. Let’s not mix the two else we will achieve nothing.

Campaigning **is **a specialist skill. And trying to achieve this kind of change means you have to influence politicians and people who make policy or it's not going to happen.

Sorry but that's the reality.

I agree with everything else you said though - esp should be short-medium term and focused on HGVs.

These actions should be achievable by the people on here and not require specialist skills/connections

Im right now on the phone to get the Cordy House (Curtain Road, Shoreditch). Just spoke to the owner, will get the answer this evening. For those of you who know the space, it works perfectly, bikes inside and everything.

ok looks like my old post got lost in others' posts:

1. K-tee - construction industry and policy
   
   1. Ufrasia - Media, Lobbying.
      
   2. Greasy - Admin for Ghostbike.uk and CycleSafeLondon
      
   3. Skully - AV post production
      
   4. Pistanator
      
   5. Libi - Media
      
   6. CrazyJames - Photography, with contacts in web design/graphic design/branding etc available if needed.
      
   7. Multigrooves - Cycletrainer
      
   8. Damo
      
   9. Georgieboy
      
   10. Twist305 (apologies) - Citizens Advice Bureau head office
       12.Digger-Cycle Instructor (apologies)
       
   11. Velocio (apologies) LFGSS, CycleSafeLondon
       
   12. Wicksie - graphic design, printing, anything to help, make the tea if need be.
       
   13. tomiskinky - Graphic Designer
       
   14. Chang - Graphic/motion/web/digital design i've got alot of mates that work in marketing/PR could get some media coverage.
       
   15. CheBeef - Work at Law Firm (litigation)
       
   16. havingamare - photographer
       
   17. loftypavement - student
       
   18. williamshatnerpants
       
   19. Aroogah - IT Services Exec - commercial, strategic, legal
       
   20. CHUG_IT (won't be there but..) Barristers of the highest level
       
   21. LdnGrrl. - Lots of free time, will help in any way needed
       24.nuknow - Graphic Design
       25.Fox - (can't do Tues, could do Wed) marketing/campaigning/PR/lobbying experience
       
2. ftony (apol for mtg + not much free time but...) geographer (access to maps, journals, skilled in spatial analysis etc)
   

I won't add myself to the list as I don't feel I have any relevant skills or suggestions and you don't need a load of people just filling seats and making up numbers. But when a plan has been decided and you need troops on the ground I'll be there and willing to help in anyway possible.

Yep I'd like to come. I work for a highways engineering company that runs the London Cycle Network+, so I've got access to stats, maps, funding, etc. If that would help?

Campaigning **is **a specialist skill. And trying to achieve this kind of change means you have to influence politicians and people who make policy or it's not going to happen.
Sorry but that's the reality.

and it's worked so far when.. um.. by .. um...

Policy change will not educate riders and takes time. agreed there is a longer term aims that require strong cases and influence to push them. but there is good will and effort available here that can be harnessed and used to immediate effect.

Larger Campaigns take a more measured approach and require time/effort and resolve - i.e individuals\groups for long periods of time

1. K-tee - construction industry and policy
   
   1. Ufrasia - Media, Lobbying.
      
   2. Greasy - Admin for Ghostbike.uk and CycleSafeLondon
      
   3. Skully - AV post production
      
   4. Pistanator
      
   5. Libi - Media
      
   6. CrazyJames - Photography, with contacts in web design/graphic design/branding etc available if needed.
      
   7. Multigrooves - Cycletrainer
      
   8. Damo
      
   9. Georgieboy
      
   10. Twist305 (apologies) - Citizens Advice Bureau head office
       12.Digger-Cycle Instructor (apologies)
       
   11. Velocio (apologies) LFGSS, CycleSafeLondon
       
   12. Wicksie - graphic design, printing, anything to help, make the tea if need be.
       
   13. tomiskinky - Graphic Designer
       
   14. Chang - Graphic/motion/web/digital design i've got alot of mates that work in marketing/PR could get some media coverage.
       
   15. CheBeef - Work at Law Firm (litigation)
       
   16. havingamare - photographer
       
   17. loftypavement - student
       
   18. williamshatnerpants
       
   19. Aroogah - IT Services Exec - commercial, strategic, legal
       
   20. CHUG_IT (won't be there but..) Barristers of the highest level
       
   21. LdnGrrl. - Lots of free time, will help in any way needed
       24.nuknow - Graphic Design
       25.Fox - (can't do Tues, could do Wed) marketing/campaigning/PR/lobbying experience
       
2. ftony (apol for mtg + not much free time but...) geographer (access to maps, journals, skilled in spatial analysis etc)
   
3. villa-ru - currently unemployed with plenty of free time and prior experience of herding cats
   
   

I'll come to help run meeting if needed, or not if you want to keep numbers tighter...

Hi I very seldom come on here but you have my support, if you need banners or signs made email me at jamiethesignfitter@mac.com, I'll do whatever I can

OK so the first meeting should be small, just the very relevantly-skilled amongst us, like howsyourdad? or whoever has expertise in this field. Right?

if only to keep the biscuit cost low

1. K-tee - construction industry and policy
   
   1. Ufrasia - Media, Lobbying.
      
   2. Greasy - Admin for Ghostbike.uk and CycleSafeLondon
      
   3. Skully - AV post production
      
   4. Pistanator
      
   5. Libi - Media
      
   6. CrazyJames - Photography, with contacts in web design/graphic design/branding etc available if needed.
      
   7. Multigrooves - Cycletrainer
      
   8. Damo
      
   9. Georgieboy
      
   10. Twist305 (apologies) - Citizens Advice Bureau head office
       12.Digger-Cycle Instructor (apologies)
       
   11. Velocio (apologies) LFGSS, CycleSafeLondon
       
   12. Wicksie - APOLOGIES, graphic design, printing, anything to help, make the tea if need be.
       
   13. tomiskinky - Graphic Designer
       
   14. Chang - Graphic/motion/web/digital design i've got alot of mates that work in marketing/PR could get some media coverage.
       
   15. CheBeef - Work at Law Firm (litigation)
       
   16. havingamare - photographer
       
   17. loftypavement - student
       
   18. williamshatnerpants
       
   19. Aroogah - IT Services Exec - commercial, strategic, legal
       
   20. CHUG_IT (won't be there but..) Barristers of the highest level
       
   21. LdnGrrl. - Lots of free time, will help in any way needed
       24.nuknow - Graphic Design
       25.Fox - (can't do Tues, could do Wed) marketing/campaigning/PR/lobbying experience
       
2. ftony (apol for mtg + not much free time but...) geographer (access to maps, journals, skilled in spatial analysis etc)
   
3. villa-ru - currently unemployed with plenty of free time and prior experience of herding cats
   
   

If this is the case I'll change my list to apologies then. Do you want just a list for the meeting and is that limited, or also with people who want to help with anything?