Heroin on prescription

My wifes isn't.

One thing people are ignoring is that most really dependant heroin users in inner cities especially, also smoke crack and therefore drug dealers usually offer 1&1 or in south london refer to both as rice and peas. If you think you can have one without the other you are sorely mistaken - So for me you cant make attempts to legalize one without taking steps to tackle the other, and then that leads to the realization that coke is part of the problem aswell, seeing as its one of the gateway drugs that often leads to users needing a much faster and stronger delivery e.g washed up and turned into crack, that is then followed br heroin to come down......... at the end of the day even with good intentions were still running round in circles and to be honest we wont ever get away from people wanting to rebel which is one of the key factors in initial drug use whether its weed, alcohol or something worse.

The vast majority of diabetes is lifestyle induced. Type I isn't as its an autoimmune disorder. But type II is lifestyle sensitive. Its also a giagantic hole into which we all pour money as people refuse to accept responsibility for themselves.

Fail.

Type 1: Results from the body's failure to produce insulin.
Type 2: Results from Insulin resistance, a condition in which cells fail to use insulin properly, sometimes combined with relative insulin deficiency.

Both of them can be caused by lifestyle and both of them can be genetic. The causes that you list above are typical but not absolute.

Nevertheless, (even though this doesn't apply to Andy's wife) there are plenty of diabetics who have eaten themselves into the disease. I personally know at least two.

I did acknowledge that andy's wife's diabetes wasn't lifestyle induced (as it is type I). I have never encountered type I being lifestyle induced (unless you'd count diabetes as a secondary complication of another condition)

The vast majority of type 2 is lifestyle induced. A patient coming through clinic who truly does have a leptin mutation or pancreatic b-cell failure not caused by hammering themselves with sugar is a rare event at the moment.

And therefore this is where the greatest proportion of diabetes money gets spent

[QUOTE=andy.w;948827]Not any more. Reciprocal agreement runs out in 2010 just like it has done in the Channel Islands this year. QUOTE]

/minor aside

ah true, I'd forgotten about that, as I'm 'working in a London only commissioning world now. Howeverbefore that I was in contact or funding 5 pilots based on sexual health / mental health / alcohol & substance misuse on the island. Obviously in this sector, that meant that there were practically more support workers / outreach staff than there were clientele.

/minor aside*

• which isn't a bad name for a lounge hardcore band.
  

Yes, very short sighted by those involved on both sides.

Heroin by the Velvet Underground is my favourite track of all time.

My Father developed Type 1 Diabetes at the age of 62.

The Doctors seem to be rather stumped by this, and sent him for every test they could think of, but have now given up it would seem.

This has, I admit, nothing to do with the OP.

I think they should legalise it and control it's dissemination- as BlueQuinn says it seems to have worked for fags. That said I'm just popping out to have a roll-up.

Should we not concentrate on sorting out drugs/treatments for cancer, diabetes and the like.

I understand these people need help but it was a choice (althouugh somewhat helped by x,y & z)unlike cancer etc.

*not meaning to come across all daily mail etc.

Problem with it is, yes it was their choice originally but then that drug takes over and becomes your life.

Can I get alcohol on prescription please

• as BlueQuinn says it seems to have worked for fags.
  
  

Homophobe

So where do you suggest diverting the limited financial resources? Towards illicit drug programs (minimisation/education/prevention/enforcement) for a relatively small population of users and relative costs, or towards cigarettes/alcohol which have massive social costs and a huge population of users. Dont make me find the graph. I'll track one down that says "per capita" for you if that helps.

There is no way that decriminalising (as distinct from legalising) heroin would result in an impact greater than cigarettes.

NB: I drink and smoke, often in irresponsible quantites. I can assure you, legal or otherwise, heroin will never enter my body.

The thing is. The thing is, as all smokers know, cigarettes more than pay for their costs, which are almost all healthcare costs.

The IAS estimates that treasury revenues from alcohol of £14bn cover its healthcare costs but not healthcare costs plus wider economic and criminal justice costs of £20bn.

Drugs are, of course, a pure cost - no revenues to the treasury (that we know of) - and the cost is slightly lower than that of alcohol at £16.8bn. Transform, the drugs policy think tank, have estimated that setting up a regulated market for problem class A drugs would cost the treasury as little as £3bn by comparison, which is a saving of nearly £14bn - which is, of course, a larger net reduction of cost than would be achieved by banning alcohol altogether (not that this is desirable or likely).

I'm beginning to think that Aunt Norah doesn't really exist and I feel rather foolish now.

I'm beginning to think that Aunt Norah doesn't really exist and I feel rather foolish now.

I was going to bring her along to polo to say hello but, as you know, she has no wheelchair.

So this wasn't her then?

Heroin is less harmful than Methadone. that's medical fact.
Heroin is cheaper than Methadone.
It cuts crime - that's been shown.
It seems to be more effective at weaning addicts off it.
(...)

Heroin is organic. If it could be also fair trade and it would give Taliban supporters something to do instead, get some money, improve their lifestyle and abandon their bad ways, which are often caused by poverty, lack of disposable income, post-colonial anger and lack of good old sex.

I was going to bring her along to polo to say hello but, as you know, she has no wheelchair.

I blame the council...

Heroin is organic. If it could be also fair trade and it would give Taliban supporters something to do instead, get some money, improve their lifestyle and abandon their bad ways, which are often caused by poverty, lack of disposable income, post-colonial anger and lack of good old sex.

You can grow opium poppies in Europe and use modern methods to harvest them. Sure as shit this would happen were it to be legalised.

There would then be no export market for Afghani opiate and they would have to revert to agriculture that denied warlords the huge profits that arm them.

Win win.

Sharkstar, i may be misreading what you posted but surely a regulated market would deliver significant revenue?

There is no real black market for tobacco.

Absolute bollocks. I haven't paid tax on tobacco in the last ten years.

Sharkstar, i may be misreading what you posted but surely a regulated market would deliver significant revenue?

It would generate some revenue but potential revenues aren't included in the Transform figures.

So this wasn't her then?

No, baseball caps aren't really her thing.

I see... cheers for putting some numbers around it.

I see... cheers for putting some numbers around it.

The full report on drugs reform is here.

Figures on economic costs and benefits of alcohol are here.