Greenwich foot tunnel?

Can’t they just use the infamous wormhole/kink in the space-time continuum that exists down there and get the parts made six months ago and get them fitted yesterday?

They tried but they accidentally got them made 2 years in the future and won't be fitted for 3

that’s not how it works

It doesn't work, which is why it needs to be repaired.

I agree with you. Would go further in why wasn't a UK based company used, such as express lifts in Northampton.

Is express lifts still in Northampton.

.

I was there on Saturday for the first time in a year+. Both lifts dead, tunnel absolutely rammo with people. Could this be the most used, most badly maintained piece of infrastructure in London?

There must be thousands of people using it every hour on the weekend, it’s bonkers. Greenwich need to gift it to TfL, it’s actually an important piece of transport infrastructure.

Greenwich spaffed £11.5 million on the refurbishments we enjoy (Hah!) today. I can't see TfL taking on this poisoned chalice.

Actually, it often is - using non-oem parts can invalidate certifications, particularly in safety-critical functions. Never mind that though, who wants to get into a lift that’s had parts made up by a non-specialist firm and what kind of firm would take that job on?!

Spaffed fits the situation so well.

Lets not forget the woolwich foot tunnel fuck up?

I think the £11.5 million may've been a combination of the spend on both tunnels.

Actually, it often is - using non-oem parts can invalidate certifications, particularly in safety-critical functions. Never mind that though, who wants to get into a lift that’s had parts made up by a non-specialist firm and what kind of firm would take that job on?!

I know this, you know this. Insurance Assessor's know this on yearly LOLER/PUWER inspections.

But the forum knows best...

Im not sure it was combined.

No, the forum doesn't know best. But have had quite a few email discussions with lift companies on behalf of residential leaseholder on behalf of the landlords agent.

Did they let you use non original parts to retro fit a lift?

Surely there must be loads of 'vintage' lifts that are kept going by fitting non-original parts?

This isn't like old cars. There isn't a cut off beyond 1945 for lifting equipment.

Seriously. I'm not a lift expert but the job means I deal with the experts.

Lifts get inspections yearly because if they fail people die.

They are insured against that happening so the insurance company will inspect them regularly. This isn't House Insurance, this is commercial insurance. So very different to what you and I buy yearly.

HSE guidance allows for use of non original parts and there’s no reason why such use would result in a fail under statutory inspection.

My experience is not with vintage lifts but similar legacy equipment and a) you would be surprised how much NOS equipment is out there and b) if parts really aren’t available the answer is ‘that’s obsolete, here’s a new complete (certified) module that will carry out that function’, not ‘here’s a widget made round the corner that will let you keep using the old module until something else breaks’. Obviously you can run to failure but good luck if someone gets hurt!

Surely there must be loads of 'vintage' lifts that are kept going by fitting non-original parts?

Yep, loads. With the shutters you pull over to close the lift.

But look closely. They will have retro fit interlocks to make sure the inner and outer door is closed before the lift moves.

The machinery that moves them is pretty standard. But all of this has to be approved parts under the insurance company assessors.

Seriously. Why is this so hard to understand?

HSE guidance allows for use of non original parts

HSE doesn't insure them. If it complies to HSE then fine, but, and how many times do I need to say this, its up to the insurance company at the end of the day.

I didn’t say HSE are the insurer, I said a statutory inspection (which will be completed by an insurer - Zurich, Allianz, BES etc) won’t fail just because non original parts have been used.

FFS. If non original parts are used and the insurance company is happy then fine.

But you can't just fabricate them to make the Greenwich Foot Tunnel Lifts work because you are pissed off that you have to put the bike on your shoulder.

I'm done with this.

Lazy twats in a tunnel who moan that they have to lift their SS Titanium bikes up a few steps...

Why is this so hard to understand?

It's not. However, there must be thousands, if not tens of thousands of lifts in London, but only two of them, the north and south Greenwich foot tunnel lifts have been non-operational for the best part of maybe four years. That can't just be an insurance issue.