Richmond Park = Full of tossers

Look like Zac Goldsmith dream of Richmond Park have been realised, he must be chuffed.

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Bloody cyclists.

Thread title is fantastic. This is why I do even forum bro.

Also @edscoble's

hoover

... meaning 'hover' made me chuckle... Now where did put that image of Ethel off of Eastenders?

I went to Richmond Park recently for the first time. I did wonder why it had a load of roads packed with cars running through the middle. It wasn't quite as park-like as I'd hoped.

It is either or cars or the peletons of cyclists blocking the road.

or the peletons of cyclists blocking the road.

Whom tend to ride just under the speed limit.

Do really believe that?

Yes I do, drivers tend to go over 25mph regularly, occasionally 30mph.

I've seen the deer going over 20. Book 'em

Here are 40 for a start:
http://www.strava.com/segments/tour-de-richmond-park-610040?hl=en-GB
?hl=en-GB

fuck KOM is 14:10, thats how long it takes me to wheeze up sawyers hill

Are you being obtuse? A Strava segment of someone going round quickly is the general norms?

^^^ It's hardly a peleton if they're finishing with big time gaps like that.

Are you? That is not a segment that is for a lap of the park. If you want segments pick a downhill section...what's that hill called?

And that reinforced your notion that cyclists (supposedly) regularly go over the speed limit as much as drivers do?

My point was less about the speed of cars, more the volume and the propensity in London to stick big roads through the middle of parks.

How else do you expect motorists to see green spaces? Are they going to walk there or something? If you had your way people wouldn't even be able to drive over deer, you self-righteous environmentalist fascist. I bet you ride a bike and everything.

Those are usually the former carriage-roads, i.e. (often) circular routes along which the gentry could drive their horse-drawn carriages on Sundays after church, and they very much pre-date mass motorisation. I imagine that when people first took to motorised carriages, these roads would have been used in much the same way for a while before they became through routes. They certainly need to be barred to through motor traffic, but there's very little chance politically that this is going to happen in South-West London any time soon. London certainly should have kept the roads restricted to leisure traffic only (although, without any doubt, many bike riders in Richmond Park go too fast to deserve that label), but people basically didn't know how this mass-motorisation lark would turn out. :)

True, without cars and roads people would stand a very real risk of getting their shoes muddy when looking at the great outdoors.

I guess the issue is that the roads have been upgraded to become significant through routes rather than left as minor carriageways. As you say though, it's unlikely anything will change in the near future.

I think it's a perspective difference as well. I grew up with a bit more countryside around me, if you grew up in central London then Richmond Park does look pretty green and outdoorsy.

There's far more to RP than what you can see from the roads. Just take a walk into and around the Isabella Plantation for example, you certainly won't see any cars or bikes there.

I do that sometimes when not being a tosser doing laps aiming for 20mph+ average speeds.

This thread has moved on, but couldn't help noticing that Bok'em would be more appropriate.

It's 'who', not 'whom'(insert winking, smiling face here) but plenty of cyclists exceed the speed limit up there - it's hard not to in places.

Can any of you tossers regulars remind me whether there are deer cull restrictions coming up or was it just November?

park site is not helpful.. cheers

Signs have gone up for more closures (for more deer culling) - from 2nd Feb for 4-5 weeks, locked from 8pm to 7.30am (though they seemed to open up a little earlier most days).

ahh bugger.
Thanks for letting me know.
:)