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• #90752
Hmmm
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• #90753
Needs a manual
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• #90754
Think it’s manual only.
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• #90755
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• #90756
Shit joke apparently
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• #90757
FFS.
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• #90758
Strong "one joke" energy.
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• #90759
Oliver Dowden says it's memes this shit or the thread closes.
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• #90760
There goes the neighbourhood... Again...
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• #90761
Extremely shit. So was the one on the last page.
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• #90762
Take that shit somewhere else
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• #90763
Meanwhile, biblically epic pwnage
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• #90764
Shit joke apparently
Nah, just a shit crowd
On May 28, Joan recanted her previous abjuration, donned men's apparel once more, and was accused of relapsing into heresy...She was declared "relapsed", giving the court nominal justification to have her executed. "Only those who had relapsed – that is, those who having once adjured their errors returned to them – could be condemned to death by a tribunal of the Inquisition and delivered for death."
The captioning of François Chifflart's painting invites us to contemplate the history and a set of ahistorical notions side by side.
Jeanne d'Arc suffered what was by any reasonable judgment extra-judicial killing, in the end, for the heretical crime of cross-dressing, even though she had a well-founded defence to the charge.
It can easily be argued that she was only on trial in the first place because of her sex. Therefore, in some alternative history where heresy trials still exist but trans rights are well established, Jeanne can avoid the pyre by being treated as a man.If the joke has a flaw, it is that there is no evidence that Jeanne identified as male*, and even less that she would have used a pretence of being something she was not in order to avoid trouble.
The risk with such a joke is that it is open to a malicious misinterpretation, that people claim a trans identity in order to obtain some advantage. Instead of being seen for what it is, which is an attack on patriarchal, misogynistic religious zealotry, it is misread as an attack on the authenticity of the trans experience.
*ETA: Of course, it would be hilarious if somebody did prove that Jeanne was trans, since she's such an idol of the FN; let's see those fascists heads explode 🙂
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• #90765
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• #90766
Much like your Queen asking about how black the baby is, there's an argument to be made that the joke is at the expense of the power in the situation, much of that nuance is lost in a meme though and most of the people sharing it will be doing so from the wrong place and without any awareness.
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• #90767
*ETA: Of course, it would be hilarious if somebody did prove that Jean was trans, since she's such an idol of the FN; let's see those fascists heads explode 🙂
For a French icon, they'll find some sort of justification to make it okay (in their ideology, obviously it's okay to any rational human) I'm sure. I made sure my voting records were okay the other day for next year's election; feels like another one of those elections you kind of have to vote in.
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• #90768
feels like another one of those elections you kind of have to vote in.
I’ve never experienced any other kind : )
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• #90769
most of the people sharing it will be doing so from the wrong place
That's a very pessimistic view; it took me a while to work out an interpretation which somebody might find offensive. Most people are good.
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• #90770
Most people maybe, most people sharing a somewhat debatably edgy meme, not so much, much of the internet is shitty, and the shittier bits do a lot of debatably and less debatably horrible posting.
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• #90772
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• #90773
Been told to ''take it somewhere else'', so I deleted it. I don't have any intention of upsetting/offending anyone. As you were...
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• #90774
Without knowing any of that, I thought it was clear that the joke was whatever she’d done would have been fine if she she’d been a man, poking fun at patriarchal/sexist attitudes.
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• #90775
It's entirely possible to be anti-patriarchal and crudely transphobic. That's why TERF is a thing. Personally, if I wanted to take a shot at the patriarchy, I wouldn't start my joke with "Is it OK if I identify as...". Because I'm not a fucking idiot (some people will dispute this).
New pag fail
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