Tour de France 2010

not as if he hit him with a front wheel or something.

This just in from news agency Reuters who have been speaking to Tour techincal director Jean-Francosi Pescheux. "Normally, he's out of the race." However Pescheux insisted the race jury's decision had not been announced.

not a proper head butt, more a cranium-nudge from a friendly horse hoping for a Polo.

if you head-butt someone on a bike...

(a skill i must perfect as never even tried )

Is it wise to take your hat off to them..? hmmmn

This just in from news agency Reuters who have been speaking to Tour techincal director Jean-Francosi Pescheux. "Normally, he's out of the race." However Pescheux insisted the race jury's decision had not been announced.

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"Renshaw is out. We watched the film once and it was blatant. He head-butted Dean like in a keirin race," said Tour technical director Jean-Francois Pescheux.

"This is cycling, not fighting. Everybody could have ended up on their backs."

from: http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/15072010/2/cycling-renshaw-tour-sprint-incident.html

I was just having a look at the Green Jersey standings and checked the bottom to find that two guys have minus points.

Christophe Kern is on -3 and Mirco Lorenzetto has -5.. How does that happen then?

Hmmm - Renshaw's move to cut off Farrar was dodgy. Dean came SOOO close to hooking him though (check his deliberate elbow and cutting across) I'm not surprised he got a 'head-nudge'....

http://www.steephill.tv/players/youtube/?title=tdf-2010-st11-last-3-km&id=saPLJQZhQpk&w=640&h=380

At 4:20

Does Renshaw look back before cutting in front of Farrar?

Cav himself said he can't sprints that far (called it jokingly a breakaway rather than a sprint finish). I think Renshaw got nervous when Dean came up so quick on his right with so much space left, so got in a bit of a tussle. Then possibly thought Cav couldn't hold out that distance with Farrar on his wheel, so maybe veered?

If so, that's fucking rubbish.

elbow came first, no doubt, self defence.

Definitely had a glance to his side, not sure he could have seen farrar all that clearly though as he was still behind mostly at that point. Dean elbowing Renshaw in towards the barriers though was super dodgy though, could have easily brought down the whole lot of them.

Elbows and shoulders happen in the sprints. Cav and Thor were doing it a few stages ago.

Just re-watched the ITV4 slow motion replay on my PVR and his elbow doesn't seem to make contact with Renshaw, nor does it really look like he's making a sharp jabby movement with it (until Renshaw starts head butting). However, it may brush against his shifter. That would be scary.

Renshaw looks back, and turns in front of Farrar. On purpose, in my non-expert opinion.

Tbh when I saw it from behind, it looked like he was trying to get a bit of lever...combined with an extra lean to shove them over towards the barriers I'm not surprised Renshaw flipped. He definitely cut Farrar out after that though - dodge.

Not sure it would have made a huge difference to the result, mind.

I don't know either. If Farrar got on Cav's wheel, with that distance left, could he have done something? Cav said he can do a 200-250 sprint and that was 375.

Where's AndyP?

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well if you're going to do it, do it properly. so no more sprint for cav and green down the toilet???

He won yesterday's sprint (albeit 10 mins after the break) without a lead-out, no?

I could understand a disqualification from today's stage and a fine, but after Barredo was fined just $381 for a fight
it seems very harsh.

He won yesterday's sprint (albeit 10 mins after the break) without a lead-out, no?

dude, you could of won that. what was it 1 pt?

dude, you could of won that. what was it 1 pt?

Cool. I'll give it a go next year.

The judges hate Cav - fair enough fine/censure for cutting Farrar's line but to kick him off the tour is daft.

The headbutt was justified as Dean came across and was leaning on him.

Bloody forrins!

The headbuts are fine in my book. Dean came into him and "threw the first punch" by leaning into him. When Renshaw peeled off though... bit dodge. He looked to the left and then moved across Farrah, BUT Farrah was a little way behind so it is plausible that he didn't see him and thought he was moving into clear road. If we did see him though...

headbuts ok.
the blocking was naughty but on it's own wouldn't have been a chucking off offence.

rough luck for HTC and Cav

Leaning in/shouldering are normal in sprints. Renshaw said just that after stage 5: '"There was a lot of shouldering," said Renshaw after the stage, "but that’s the sport."' (http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBUQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cyclingnews.com%2Fnews%2Fthrowing-elbows-part-of-the-job-for-renshaw&ei=IF0_TIDRCobw0wSE9-T4Bg&usg=AFQjCNGbz5sdoP8ecOunF3r06ZkNO_Vn6A&sig2=f-qG4nufO3Q4V7EqeNBWiw -article titled: "Throwing elbows part of the job for Renshaw").

Why is it now a case that one head-buts when it happens? (i.e., why is it such a big deal that Dean "threw the first punch"). Is he allowed to throw an elbow, but others can't?

And in any case, I don't think any elbows where thrown to begin with. Dean was just trying to get in on his line a bit to stop him from passing.

No he definitely leant on him