Usain Bolt... Bloody 'ell!

We need to wait for the tests. Semanya certainly dominated the women.

French press are saying thats she's a hermaphrodite. But if she has menstrual cycles, then I don't see how anything can be changed.
But it is interesting from a scientfic point of view.

Yeah, there's talk about a chromosome disorder, drug use, transgender, hermaphrodite.. everything.
It's gonna look pretty poor if she is a bird. I love how they break the news right in the champs, just like every time there's a positive drug test in cycling they release the name before they've even tested the B sample. Fucks.

Who cares what gender Semanya is, she's only running in the B race anyway.

The runners beaten by her might care. Some English bird came 3rd in that race.

I think its a very poor show personally. I think the Olympic movement is right to try to exclude (african) blacks from certain "sports", thereby justifying essentials like rhythmic gymnastics and horse trials.

Blacks spoil sports. They just win too much, and quite frankly, that in itself, is unfair, and is worth banning.

If I were Tynan, that sprinting would be the first to go!

Well said !

We need to lose all the sports the darkies are good at and concentrate on stuff like moaning about traffic and signing on.

They are all cheats.

They all trained, which is tantamount to cheating.

Ha! Splendid Tommy.

We need to be honest here, there simply is not enough racism in sport.

French press are saying thats she's a hermaphrodite. But if she has menstrual cycles, then I don't see how anything can be changed.
But it is interesting from a scientfic point of view.

Anyone who cycles is ok in my book.

[unless it's a Brompton]

HOLY FUCK
200m in 19.19

New WR by a long shot, the replay is amazing, he had about 7-8 meters on the rest of the field by the end.

19.19 the guy has wrecked the field. Amazing

Looks like Semanya might be a hermaphrodite.

Got her number?

it's shocking how the whole caster semenya thing has been handled. you've gotta feel sorry for her, she's only 18 and to go through such a public process must be very hard.

i'm really not a fan of the south africans crying racism over it though. the IAAF has a black president and most of its star athletes are black. athletics has to be one of the least racist human endeavours, surely...

A friend of mine went out with a post op tranny (actually i think she was a post op ex hermaphrodite or inter-sex) for about 6 months recently.

The other day while we were having dinner he mentioned, regarding the downstairs bits: "whatever it was, it was better than any vagina"

I'm just saying.

Semenya has no ovaries. Apparently...

I think they should drop testing, let all of em shoot up with as much gear as they want, then watch world records get continually smashed, it would make things a lot more interesting.
Plus who gives a shit, they all do gear to one degree or another, all of them, anyone at that level pretty much HAS to if they want to stay competitive.
So please lets stop the pretense, some of them are just better at getting away with it than others, plus they have some of the best chemists in the world working to create stuff that can't be picked up by the testers, advising them on how to cycle their drugs etc etc etc, to normalize hormonal levels in their bloody stream around times they "might" get tested....plus of course, most of the time they know when they are going to be tested.... well in advance.
Go attend a powerlifting event, and see just how many people in the so called "natural divison" or whatever its called these days, show symptons of steroid and or HGH use, one of the reasons I couldn't be arsed with it in the end, I got close to what I believed were my bodies natural strength limits, I was benching 120kg, squatting around 160kg, and deadlifting 200kg at a bodyweight of over 17 stone, I was taking a lot of supplements, pretty much the strongest stuff you could take without moving onto hormonal things.
I was almost at a point where I would have had to taken gear to move further up from where I was in terms of my level of strength, I came within an inch of doing so, but decided it just wasn't worth the potential long term health problems, I gave up any kind of serious training shortly after, I may well take it up again, but probably never at the same kind of level.

There's the rub. By permitting the use of potentially life-threatening drugs, you automatically validate their use for everyone. And not everyone will have the presence of mind to weigh up the long term cost against the short term gain. Props to you for being sensible about it though.

When you're in that position, you almost get addicted to that feeling of being so strong, and I freely admit....that I found it extremely difficult to resist the temptation of a relatively easy (physically speaking anyways) chance to boost my strength further, but i'm glad I did.

it's shocking how the whole caster semenya thing has been handled. you've gotta feel sorry for her, she's only 18 and to go through such a public process must be very hard.

i'm really not a fan of the south africans crying racism over it though. the IAAF has a black president and most of its star athletes are black. athletics has to be one of the least racist human endeavours, surely...

I don't feel sorry for "her" at all. Her mother knew she was a hermaphrodite, but thought that just keeping quiet about it was ok. In the make-over that Semnaya had, she admitted that she had NEVER bought clothes for herself, as her mother had always done it. Wasn't this odd, that as a growing teenager, her mother wouldn't take her in shops to try on clothes in very public changing rooms? I think it was always known, but thought that it could be kept secret.

I think they should drop testing, let all of em shoot up with as much gear as they want, then watch world records get continually smashed, it would make things a lot more interesting.

one of the great things about athletics is that it allows people with talent and dedication but without much money succeed (unlike many other sports). if you allow drugs, then straight away it becomes about who can afford the best drugs (which are much more expensive than a pair of running spikes).

Plus who gives a shit, they all do gear to one degree or another, all of them, anyone at that level pretty much HAS to if they want to stay competitive.
So please lets stop the pretense, some of them are just better at getting away with it than others, plus they have some of the best chemists in the world working to create stuff that can't be picked up by the testers, advising them on how to cycle their drugs etc etc etc, to normalize hormonal levels in their bloody stream around times they "might" get tested....plus of course, most of the time they know when they are going to be tested.... well in advance.

this is all complete and utter bollocks. i don't even know where to start with it, there's not a single true thing in this paragraph. i am friends with quite a few elite track and field athletes and none of them are on drugs (and yes, they would absolutely tell me if they were). they are naturally gifted and train like motherfuckers, most of them at great physical and financial cost to themselves. your casual ill-informed judgment is offensive, and just fucking wrong! they don't have chemists working for them, they don't know when they're going to be tested (apart from after comps), and often their federations/sports institutes won't even pay for a physio to travel with them, let alone a dodgy doctor!

sure there have been athletes busted for taking illegal substances, but honestly it's nowhere near as prevalent as people think.

Go attend a powerlifting event, and see just how many people in the so called "natural divison" or whatever its called these days, show symptons of steroid and or HGH use, one of the reasons I couldn't be arsed with it in the end, I got close to what I believed were my bodies natural strength limits, I was benching 120kg, squatting around 160kg, and deadlifting 200kg at a bodyweight of over 17 stone, I was taking a lot of supplements, pretty much the strongest stuff you could take without moving onto hormonal things.
I was almost at a point where I would have had to taken gear to move further up from where I was in terms of my level of strength, I came within an inch of doing so, but decided it just wasn't worth the potential long term health problems, I gave up any kind of serious training shortly after, I may well take it up again, but probably never at the same kind of level.

good on you.

i used to be a serious track runner, at state and national level, but i realised that i wasn't good enough to compete at the elite level. it was obvious that there are people better than me. faster, stronger, with better endurance. just better. and it's nothing to do with drugs.

IMHO accusing people that are better than you of being on drugs looks like sour grapes.

one of the great things about athletics is that it allows people with talent and dedication but without much money succeed (unlike many other sports). if you allow drugs, then straight away it becomes about who can afford the best drugs (which are much more expensive than a pair of running spikes).

I'm talking about top level athletics, where there is a lot of money involved.

this is all complete and utter bollocks. i don't even know where to start with it, there's not a single true thing in this paragraph. i am friends with quite a few elite track and field athletes and none of them are on drugs (and yes, they would absolutely tell me if they were). they are naturally gifted and train like motherfuckers, most of them at great physical and financial cost to themselves. your casual ill-informed judgment is offensive, and just fucking wrong!

sure there have been athletes busted for taking illegal substances, but honestly it's nowhere near as prevalent as people think.

**I completely beg to differ, i'm not friends with any elite track and field athletes, but basing your opinion on a few of your close personal friends says nothing about that group of athletes as a whole, kudos to your friends for steering clear of all that...... **
I'm not going to go into details on an internet forum, but I know for a fact that certain people made a lot of money selling stuff to track and field athletes, almost as much as powerlifters/bodybuilders etc

good on you.

Thank you

i used to be a serious track runner, at state and national level, but i realised that i wasn't good enough to compete at the elite level. it was obvious that there are people better than me. faster, stronger, with better endurance. just better. and it's nothing to do with drugs.

I used to be hardcore into my powerlifting, I only competed at amateur level (unassisted, none of those bench press shirts and all that crap!), but I got to meet a lot of pro's and top amateurs, as well as train along side some of them at a couple of the gyms I used to be members of....where various athletes used to come to train as well, no one that famous I guess but over a few years you get to chat to a lot of people in between sets etc......just to let you know where i'm coming from.
**Of couse, natural ability has more to do with it than anything, its never JUST the drugs but poor genetics can often (but not always) be overcome with the appropriate training and a shit load of drugs (in terms of physical endurance strength etc), obviously drugs etc have no bearing on some ones skill level or technique...but thats a different subject. **
However if someone has great genetics and does everything else right, then that can be the makings of a world class athlete.

IMHO accusing people that are better than you of being on drugs looks like sour grapes.

I was never accusing anyone better than me of being on drugs, there were people I beat in competition that were on drugs lol, its not the be all and end all of training, but what it can do is help you push past your genetic limits and reach levels of strength and endurance that simply aren't naturally possible.
Please read my posts properly before you criticise and rubbish them as nonsense.

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one of my mates is the olympic and world champion - it doesn't get any more elite than that! another two were semi-finalists at the world championships and one got a medal in the 4x400m relay... i'm not talking about shitkickers here. your argument was that they're all on drugs at that level, which is completely and utterly false and offensive...

as i said, i know there are drugs in track and field, i hear the rumours and i read the news, but it's totally unfair to tar everyone with the same brush.

one of my mates is the olympic and world champion - it doesn't get any more elite than that! your argument was that they're all on drugs at that level, which is completely and utterly false and offensive...

as i said, i know there are drugs in track and field, i hear the rumours and i read the news, but it's totally unfair to tar everyone with the same brush.

Maybe your mates aren't on gear, I don't know every single elite athlete personally in every sport, but a large proportion are, and I know the kind of reputation and money that is at stake.
But I do know a guy who's £60k Merc was bought from money earned by......nevermind, its not the place, but you should see what his distributor drives, I didn't realize they made Range Rover sports in such an ugly colour!
I guess money doesn't buy taste, not that I give a shit about cars these days anyway.

Maybe your mates aren't on gear, I don't know every single elite athlete personally in every sport, but a large proportion are, and I know the kind of reputation and money that is at stake.

i just think you're plain wrong on the proportion of athletes on gear, and it's wrong to slander people on the basis of some half-baked anecdotes.

most athletes make fuck all money and simply can't afford good drugs (no team structure like cycling/football, not much sponsorship apart from the very lucky few/olympic champions, etc). the days of national sports federations sponsoring pharmaceutical labs are over.

cheap drugs are easily detected, and therefore not a viable option for athletes who are tested randomly and after comps.

the majority of steroid users are normal dudes in gyms who want to get big and don't have to worry about being tested, and i reckon your mate's merc knows it.

i just think you're plain wrong on the proportion of athletes on gear. most athletes just can't afford good drugs (no team structure like cycling/football, not much sponsorship apart from the very lucky few, etc).

cheap drugs are easily detected.

the majority of steroid users are normal dudes in gyms who want to get big and don't have to worry about being tested, and i reckon your mate's merc knows it.

Sure thats a reasonable size quota of where he earns his money, he's a low key low end kinda guy (apart from the merc!) and for the most part you would be right, but the dude with the range-rover, well he used to be (might still be, I haven't seen either of these dudes in nearly a year) a close personal friend of a pretty famous performance enhancing drug specialist ;)