Rapha, nice but a bit pricey?

Isn't the need for reproofing on goretex to ensure that water beads on the surface rather than soaking the fabric and preventing air from passing though?

^^ Good to hear you don't overheat. I worked with Goretex as an engineer and we had trouble with low airflow.

^ That sounds about right to me.

^ It may be that it's the Active version which helps - AIUI it's designed to be more permeable to moisture than the standard stuff.

^^ That was my understanding - that while other fabrics rely on just the coating, the GoreTex fabric is itself waterproof. I imagine Ndeipi probably knows far more about it than I do though...

Yeah, the coating on GoreTex just stops the face fabric from getting saturated - at which point the membrane won't really help you.

Other membrane fabrics exist, not just GoreTex (and there are plenty of different GoreTex fabrics, too). eVENT and NeoShell to name probably the two biggest ones. NeoShell is the best, in my experience with climbing jackets. Then there's weird stuff like Gore WindStopper, which is a 'softshell' but also contains a membrane very close to full-on GoreTex - in use it's basically waterproof except they never seal the seams.

The simple fact is that past a certain level of effort, you're going to boil in ANY 'waterproof, breathable' fabric. The main factor here is the design, not the fabric. Good fabric goes a long way but there's little between the top competitors, but if the design is good you will at least have venting options, etc. Most of the moisture you find inside a jacket after wearing it will be from you or will have come in through holes (head hole, cuffs, etc).

For what it's worth my Rapha Rain Jacket is pretty new but it's not given up yet and I've worn it in some ferocious rain and not been gentle with it, stuffing it in jersey pockets and rucksacks and stuff. I'm pretty sure the fabric itself is both inherently waterproof (membrane) and also pretty breathable - it doesn't seem to get too stuffy. Again the design helps, though - the Rain Jacket has breathable 'mesh'-type panels on the underarms, etc which seem to help a ton.

danstuff gets it

I would have thought most Goretex jackets would use the same membrane, but together with fewer laminated layers of material. Thats basically what paclite is.

The best example of the membrane only being only part of the big picture is goretex shoes. Some are amazing, some are worthless shite. Even if they all do use the same membrane.

Really wanted a Neoshell jacket. My next outdoor jacket will be a packable down jacket though.

^^ That was my understanding - that while other fabrics rely on just the coating, the GoreTex fabric is itself waterproof. I imagine Ndeipi probably knows far more about it than I do though...

Its fragile though. So you need at least one outer laminated layer. On proper hard shells theres at least 4 layers in action. If the outer layer holds water, it wont breath. This is what the hydrophobic treatment is for.

The good thing about Rapha you can ignore these well over onethousand jackets and gilets.

http://www.bike24.com/1.php?page=1;content=7;navigation=1;menu=1000,18,64;mid=0;pgc=0

But seriously. Look at the sizing. Immense.

You gotta be at least 8pt now no?

The made a lightweight softshell alongside the classic softshell for a while.

I've had the lightweight softshell for a few years, bloody love it, not too hot and keeps all but the worst of the rain off too.

I think I'm going to start calling out the quality of Apple, Google and Microsoft's software on public forums, then let them know I'm available to help at £500 per day.

^too cheap, can't be any good.

Still could be half decent.

andyp the Tørm of the software world.

It did wonders for Nokia though

I'm afraid Nokia were far beyond my help. They still gave me a shedload of cash though.

Isn't the need for reproofing on goretex to ensure that water beads on the surface rather than soaking the fabric and preventing air from passing though?

Yes.

I probably didn't explain it clearly enough but point is that it still requires treatment, the same as every other waterproof jacket/membrane in order to continue performing as it should.

Not pricey but could be nice...

http://www.planet-x-bikes.co.uk/i/q/ZXWINTER/winter_bundle

thanks - ordered.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rapha-Pink-Grey-Stripe-Pro-Team-Postcard-/151148504178?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2331272472

Really nice postcard, but pricey though

blimey people will sell anything

You can see why.

I have a stack of postcards and stickers on my desk, Im wondering whether i should sell them all...

You can see why.

Personally I would rather hold onto novelty items like this then sell them.

blimey people will buy anything
ftfy

The new Rapha Winter bibs. Contrast panel is featured on latest visibility story. The panel is on the left leg but Rapha is a UK brand. For UK riding, surely the the panel would be more efficient on the right leg?

Euro look. Their white armband has also always been on the left arm, etc.