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• #52
I had not seen that, thanks VeeVee.
It looks as though the chap wants what one can buy one for new however, but he might negotiate.
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• #53
I'm actually veering toward an Hcx now, as it would serve dual purposes bike for me, hike for MOC
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• #54
+1 to the eTrex range like the Legend or Vista. Should be about 140 quid, more if you want maps (but you can download free ones from OpenStreetMap).
I use an even older bog standard yellow eTrex. No mapping at all, and therefore no auto-routing. Cost is about 100 quid for a unit, handlebar mount and cheapo cable from eBay rather than the Garmin branded one made of the finest milled unobtainium.
Routes are just a collection of routepoints place at each junction with the instruction in the routepoint name (L for left, R for right, SO straight on, E2 for 2nd exit at roundabout, FL for fork left, BR/KR for bear/keep right, etc). I draw them on bikely.com and download them onto the GPS. Doesn't take long, a 100km route takes about 10 minutes. My Dun Run route was this (yes, I know it wasn't the exact official route):-
http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/320135
The eTrex range also take AA batteries, so you're not stuck with the relatively short battery life of an Edge or faffing with an external USB battery pack/charger.
The Edge range are lovely, but non-replacable batteries are a big no-no for us Audaxers. I need 20 hours and sometimes vastly more. I can get this with a few sets of rechargables. I'll be using my eTrex for the London-Edinburgh-London 1400km Audax this month and shouldn't have to look at a routesheet at all during the ride. Which is nice.
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• #55
Right, after talks with MOC we're splitting the cost of an etrex legend hcx. MOC does quite a lot of work with the OSM people so its rather ideal, that also means it takes the Open Cycle Map, something I use quite a lot. He was thinking of upgrading his old extrex venture anyway - so everyone's a winner!
The other thing that won it for me was the 1000 waypoint limit rather than the 100 the edge has.
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• #56
I quite like the look of that Dan, my other half has an etrex for hiking and its great - never been any trouble, what sort of stats do you get from it? miles travelled/speed/ave speed? I'm not that fussed about them but wondered what it covered. I like the fact that is can be easily used off the bike as well.
Can you add the City Navigator maps on there as well as the OS ones?Stats wise I get: average moving speed, time stopped, total time, total distance, total time climbing, total time descending, distance climbed, distance descended, max speed and probably a bunch of others but i get bored after all of those!
Yes it takes city navigator too, thats what I used to have before getting the OS maps in there for hiking purposes.
Not sure about the 1000 waypoints though - whenever I try to upload a route it seems to limit it to 500 but maybe mine is an older version.
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• #57
I recorded my commute home tonight, this is what it looks like when you transfer to Garmin Connect.
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• #58
The terminology is tricky and confusing.
Waypoints, viapoints, trackpoints and routepoints are all different things.
When you go for a ride it records a track consisting of trackpoints. If you log these to the SD card then you can log one per second and have an detailed log of where you've been.
Tracks can be uploaded too, and you can follow them, they're overlaid on the map pages or, in navigation mode, the arrow will just point to the next arrow. Correctly placed they'll guide you along roads and round junctions with no problems. Uploaded tracks are generally limited to 500 trackpoints. Tracks made up of more than this can either be downsampled to 500 points or split up into chunks or 500 points, you'll just have to manually move onto the next one when you get to the end of the current one.
Routing is trickier. The GPS uses its autorouting functionality to give you a route between the points you've provided, depending on the setup this may not be the exact route you want to take, so you've got to be careful to place them properly. Also, in certain modes, there's a limit to 50 points on a route.
I use routes, but I don't have maps so the GPS doesn't do any autorouting. This gives me a capacity of about 1000 routepoints with a max of 120 points in any route, and a maximum of 20 routes. This is enough to do something like LEJOG or London-Edinburgh-London.
User waypoints are another matter, as are via points. Have a look in the GPS subforum over at YACF for more info, also there are some GPS links off the Audax UK webpages.
But, GPS for long distance riding rocks. It doesn't guarantee that you won't get lost, you have to remember to look at it, but if you do then it's easy to see what to do to get back on track. You can also ditch the cycle computer as it'll give you a reasonably accurate riding time, distance, average speed and maximum speed.
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• #59
sigh, just a bit busy to do my 'here's the 705 stuff you need to know' so I'll lob it on the end here.
I've used sportstracker on my N95 and moved onto the 705 for my cross london stuff where I had nfi where I was going. (I need my passport to go east ok?)
It's fine. however: - the mounts break and the GSC10 (the cadence and optional speed thingy) might fall off/break/go on holiday.
see: http://www.benmanson.com/junk/garmin_review/review_update2.htm
If you have just got a 305/605/705 I highly recommend mod'ing your mount before your lovely GPS screen explodes in bits as the c*r behind runs over it.
- the inbuilt map sucks
yes.. WAH WAH MAPS COST £$££$$ well actually...
see: http://www.ravenfamily.org/andyg/maps/ get the http://www.ravenfamily.org/andyg/maps/OSM-Garmin-Munky-UKIE.zip thing down, expand it andREAD THE FINE .TXT that comes with it :-)
Put the files on a card, stuff into your ?05, change the background setting and off you go.
He overlays the LCN Cycleroutes on it, so you can follow/avoid as you wish. it's based on openstreetmap and is fully routable if you have a 705. (and maybe 605)
So you can have a gpxx (the extra x is important) and it will use the routing engine to say 'turn left'. (I haven't got this working yet)
alternatively I use bikehike.co.uk and save as .tcx and it will put in a 'coursepoint' for the turn xxx feet ahead. (I have got this working.)
As it's based on openstreetmap - if you spot a problem (one way streets wrong etc) you can fix it :-)
- Given the road knowledge of some/most here of specific areas it could really make a difference in the quality of the underlying maps.
AndyG updates his maps every week or so - (openstreetmap push out new versions then he adds his bits on top)
I'm happy to explain/show/etc at next West drinks (assuming I make it alive out of tomorrows meeting)
//a
- the inbuilt map sucks
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• #60
quick question for Legend HCx owners, whats the deal with the bike mount, from what I can see the garmin supplied bike mount is compatible with every etrex apart from the Hcx!
edit: ah have just seen on some amazon reviews that the hcx comes with a plate that you screw to the back in order to be able to attache it to the bike mount.
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• #61
mainly www.bikehike.co.uk and sometimes www.bikeroutetoaster.com
I normally don't export straight to the gps I'll save the file then copy it on manually. Also its a good idea to only have the courses on you need as the device only takes the first 100 course points or track points, always get confused. So if you already have 60 on one saved track then load another with 100 you will only get the first 40. Thats why I try and be sparing with them as you can run out especially if you get the program to put them in automatically.
Aaaah I think I get everything now.
Creating a course is what you need if you want to stick to the route (but more of an effort):
You can create a course (.tx file) and it will only bleep at you if you go off course. You save them in Training > Course.
You can add course points to the course to help you navigate. The Garmin will give you a warning to turn left or right or whatever course point you chose. You can only have a total of 100 course points in the Garmin which is not a lot!
You can navigate anywhere by telling the Garmin where you want to go (this is what we did in Suffolk on hols and it was pretty good) and it will navigate you. If you map a ride (.gpx file) it might take you via other routes. Question: if you stop the recalculate automatically option, would it not stick to your route? I haven't tried that yet.
bikehike.co.uk looks really greats.
For people who want to know more about Garmin 305 and 705 (and 605) this is a great site.
Thanks Daccordi, you have been a great help.
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• #62
Clefty is as obsessed as me :)
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• #63
True, maps are mega £$£$£.
I find the best way (didn't hear from me) is get the maps from a torrent site and unlock them in garmin mapsource.
Top maps without payin 70 squid ;-)
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• #64
VeeVee=Geek
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• #65
Clefty is a super brilliant geek like me :)
fixed.
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• #66
to save and review the data from the Garmin 705, use SportsTracks software, and pay for a few plugins especially the power analysis plugin.
Much better than the Garmin software.
I use Bikely to map the route, save the gpx file, and then open the gpx file in BikeRouteToaster and save the generated tcx file to the Garmin. It then appears as a Training Course.
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• #67
to save and review the data from the Garmin 705, use SportsTracks software, and pay for a few plugins especially the power analysis plugin.
Much better than the Garmin software.
I use Bikely to map the route, save the gpx file, and then open the gpx file in BikeRouteToaster and save the generated tcx file to the Garmin. It then appears as a Training Course.
For new long rides I occasionally use the gpx file to 'fly' the route in Google Earthwhen you map your route in bikely, do you use auto-routing? and then export to gpx and upload that gpx to BRT and export to tcx?
sorry for the long-winded question. i'm just trying to make sense to the garmin's routing function as well.
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• #68
FWIW, http://www.ravenfamily.org/andyg/maps/OSM-Garmin-Munky-UKIE.zip and the GMapToGPX firefox bookmarklet seem to be doing the trick on my 605. I'll be riding to Cambridge at some point, which will be the true test (fairly complex route keeping off A-roads and taking in some pretty miniscule unclassified lanes). At some point it'd be nice to get a firmware update done, but given that the unit has never crashed thus far and WINE/Virtualbox USB support is a bit painful I'm not making it a priority.
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• #69
FWIW, http://www.ravenfamily.org/andyg/maps/OSM-Garmin-Munky-UKIE.zip and the GMapToGPX firefox bookmarklet seem to be doing the trick on my 605. I'll be riding to Cambridge at some point, which will be the true test (fairly complex route keeping off A-roads and taking in some pretty miniscule unclassified lanes). At some point it'd be nice to get a firmware update done, but given that the unit has never crashed thus far and WINE/Virtualbox USB support is a bit painful I'm not making it a priority.
good stuff - not sure about that bookmarklet but if you import the gpx into bikehike then save it out with 'add warnings before turns' that should do the trick if you save it back as .tcx.
Upgrading firmware is a pain, however the webupdater (http://www8.garmin.com/support/collection.jsp?product=999-99999-27) works on Macs now which helps somewhat. good luck :)
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• #70
New Garmin cycle GPS -created after input from Wiggo and the boys
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/395511/garmin-unveils-new-edge-500.html -
• #71
Looks really interesting, although the article is suspiciously uncritical. Can't really tell whether it is a piece of journalism or marketing.
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• #72
That is illegal! Shame on you.
Surely as you have to pay an arm, two legs and some pink squishy bits for the damn things, they should offer an upgrade service.
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• #73
Looks like everybody is going to sell you their 605 Dammit.
Seriously I love mine but there are some navigation issues but I think I might have find a resolution (using courses rather than routes)
Dammit, ask DancingJames, he has the 705 and loves it. Cliveo also has the 705.
I also have a 705, I think Cliveo got his after playing with mine :-)
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• #74
True, maps are mega £$£$£.
I find the best way (didn't hear from me) is get the maps from a torrent site and unlock them in garmin mapsource.
Top maps without payin 70 squid ;-)
openstreetmaps on the 705/605, updated more regularly, you find a problem - fix it on the openstreetmap site and a week or so later your download will be fixed.
see a post of mine earlier somewhere for the urls! :)
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• #75
edge 500 - looks like a edge 205 with ANT+ and a different exterior and a slightly different price
Dammit, have you seen this, someone is selling their 705?