Boris Johnson's Narrow Escape

God!

Near on 4 pages to figure dick heads drive cars and ride bikes.. have we really dried up on decent thread topics??!

Nice.

My latest celebrity crush - Felicia Day:

has she got a fat lip?

Speed bumps are a load of bollocks, if they really want to control speed over a distance down a road then they need average speed cameras, more expensive yes, but at least its not fucking up vehicles and causing ambulances to have to take diversions for spinal injury patients etc due to risk of death!

Speed bumps are a load of bollocks, if they really want to control speed over a distance down a road then they need average speed cameras, more expensive yes, but at least its not fucking up vehicles and causing ambulances to have to take diversions for spinal injury patients etc due to risk of death!

One of the most successfull trials was in manchester where they made the road in crazy paving the same height and style as the pavements. drivers automatically slowed up as they were made aware how close they were to peds.
Speed cameras should all fuck off as should speed bumps, but the penalties for dangerous driving should be 10 times more severe and being banned for life should be part and parcel

Speed bumps are a load of bollocks, if they really want to control speed over a distance down a road then they need average speed cameras, more expensive yes, but at least its not fucking up vehicles and causing ambulances to have to take diversions for spinal injury patients etc due to risk of death!

It's not as clear-cut as that, James. There is a clearly measurable reduction in casualties where vertical deflection measures have been introduced. My own personal criticism is that I find it deplorable that we should have such problems in civilising traffic that we even have to jettison the concept of a road or street as a smooth surface on which passage is comfortable and efficient.

There are certainly 'higher-order' measures that can be taken, and although they are often expensive and untested, are being applied more, with some successes in places.

Lord Adonis... How on gods earth did i miss that one!

Thats nearly as good as Vertical Deflection measures, i want to be in that meeting room when Lord Adonis talks vertical deflection measures.. doesn't get better does it.

One of the most successfull trials was in manchester where they made the road in crazy paving the same height and style as the pavements. drivers automatically slowed up as they were made aware how close they were to peds.
Speed cameras should all fuck off as should speed bumps, but the penalties for dangerous driving should be 10 times more severe and being banned for life should be part and parcel

Thats really interesting actually, amazing how something so simple can have such a strong psychological effect, i'm not a speed camera fan either, but are speed bumps really a better alternative?

One of the most successfull trials was in manchester where they made the road in crazy paving the same height and style as the pavements. drivers automatically slowed up as they were made aware how close they were to peds.

I remember that being done in certain European countries, to 'share' the road effectively instead of creating a barrier between a footway and road.

Thats really interesting actually, amazing how something so simple can have such a strong psychological effect, i'm not a speed camera fan either, but are speed bumps really a better alternative?

I live right outside a speed bump, occasionally we get cars/motorbike speeding fast down a quiet road, (Wimbledon), that have a 20mph limit at night time, I doubt the driver/motorcyclists would be worried about people stepping out at 2am, the speed bump carefully spaced from each other is enough to keep the road quieter at night.

well, despite your typical cock smashing against the speed bump at 30mph not caring about the damage it does to the underside of his/her cars.

Speed cameras are useless when no one can see them.

Despite appearances, this is not actually a vertical deflection measure:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRCA8MvedIo

It is a filtered permeability measure being abused by a motorist, who is in turn, erm, abused.

Hang on...

The driver was interviewed under caution but not arrested. He was released after being reported for two motoring offences, driving without due care and attention and keeping a vehicle in a dangerous condition.

FFS. How the does that work then?

wait, what? they release him after they realise he have more than one motoring offences?

Naturally. He's only doing his job. Like a copper. C'mon people, wake up. The Police are not our friends. Not even when the Mayor and other bigwigs were involved do they actually criminalise people for endangering cyclists. The fact that those doors were secured with wire is a fucking joke. But off he toddles, smug in the knowledge that the fact that he's a chubby white middle-aged Sun reader will count in his favour when he's down the nick. Hope his Ginsters choke him.

Re: the bollards above. Where are those!? Amazing footage, people trying to sneak in after the permitted vehicle has gone through.

One of the most successfull trials was in manchester where they made the road in crazy paving the same height and style as the pavements. drivers automatically slowed up as they were made aware how close they were to peds.
Speed cameras should all fuck off as should speed bumps, but the penalties for dangerous driving should be 10 times more severe and being banned for life should be part and parcel

I thought that was pioneered somewhere in the Netherlands - they did it to an entire town. I think that the Manchester trial was based on the success of the project in the Netherlands.

EDIT - Found this...worth reading - http://www.brake.org.uk/index.php?p=932

That age old question, which came first Manchester or the Netherlands.

I remember that being done in certain European countries, to 'share' the road effectively instead of creating a barrier between a footway and road.

There is one outside Sloane Square station. I almost got squished by a 4x4 as I thought it was pedestrianised and did not look either way and thought that a mad driver was cutting across the pavement.

Re: the bollards above. Where are those!? Amazing footage, people trying to sneak in after the permitted vehicle has gone through.

The middle car, people carrier really, looks like it had a child in the back, unsecured, that the passenger woman picks up and walks off with, leaving the driver holding his head. Quite unsettling.

@Sharkstar
Yeah, he was accelerating hard, obviously got some whiplash.

'Naked roads': Yeah I've heard Kensington & Chelsea have been doing more 'naked' road sections. Makes us all a little less sure of who has 'right' of way, eh Vee?

I want to see loads more of this kind of redistribution of responsibility away from signage etc.

I thought that was pioneered somewhere in the Netherlands - they did it to an entire town. I think that the Manchester trial was based on the success of the project in the Netherlands.

EDIT - Found this...worth reading - http://www.brake.org.uk/index.php?p=932

That's the kiddy! I had no idea the dutch did it first but it wouldn't surprise me, You'll probably find the place in manchester had all the signs nicked and the council workers were pissed when laying the pavement.

It works so well in built up areas, it looks a lot better and forces people to think. as they should when driving this planet-destroying-killing-machines around ;)

It's like the amazing coverage of no smoking signs, We all know the rule but EVERY venue has tons of signs.. Do we really need the three reminders to tell us it's not safe to pull out of a blind junction and ilegal to smoke indoors?

Despite appearances, this is not actually a vertical deflection measure:

YouTube - Rising Bollards

It is a filtered permeability measure being abused by a motorist, who is in turn, erm, abused.

HAHAHAHAHA what complete spanners! no seat belts as well, i wonder how many were txtng?

Ideas on how to defuse the street environment of visual signals that mark it out as exclusively for passing motor traffic have been around for a long time--Google 'naked streets' (no sniggering at the back) or for the late Hans Monderman for fairly recent developments.

Watching that on youtube I came across another car related calamity!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrRT3eS16XY&feature=related

Knocked out cold haha!

Hahahah I didn't click on that one! He was obviously influenced by the excellent Bohemian Rhapsody scene in Wayne's World.

Ideas on how to defuse the street environment of visual signals that mark it out as exclusively for passing motor traffic have been around for a long time--Google 'naked streets' (no sniggering at the back) or for the late Hans Monderman for fairly recent developments.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,448747,00.html
http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/0,1518,505246,00.html

I remember someone argueing that this was an 'experiment' disregarding the safety of pedestrians ...