Twat on motorbike

@ lpg yes, unquantifiably more dangerous.

Got any evidence to the contrary?

(lol)

Safety grounds in terms of reducing motorcycle accidents yes. But in fact TfL's own research showed shows that any safety benefit to motor cyclists is outweighed by increased risk to cyclists and pedestriansshows that any safety benefit to motor cyclists is outweighed by increased risk to cyclists and pedestrians

Got any evidence? Not according to the Government they are not.

"Collisions involving Powered Two Wheeler (P2W) riders generate comparatively high numbers of casualties in London, relative to the size of this group among road users. Accordingly, P2W riders are identified as highly Vulnerable Road Users (VRUs), and share this category with cyclists and pedestrians."

Anyway, I'm pretty sure we're rehashing shit that has been done to death. Ride safe everyone, pedal and motor alike.

That bit you just referenced hasn't been done to death, I found it very interesting.

By the way, have you considered using the parting wish 'Ride safely' instead of 'Ride safe'? So much less Americany.

on a pushbike, you can not reasonably get up to any kinds of speeds where you would die if you came off. you might break some bones, get some bruises, but generally you'll be OK. the one big danger is getting crushed by left turning lorries, something that is v. avoidable.

on a motorbike, you're averaging a higher speed, higher top speed, and you're no bigger than a cyclist so cars do NOT treat you any better for having an engine. so when a driver on his mobile phone swings across into your lane without seeing you, you're doing 50mph instead of 20mph.

accident statistics will back me up i'm sure, i can not be bothered looking for them though.

If you need technical information, check the CTC briefing:

http://www.ctc.org.uk/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabID=4790

If you need technical information, check the CTC briefing:

http://www.ctc.org.uk/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabID=4790

hmm, anti-motorcycling or pro-cycling?

oh and I could care less about motorcycles in the ASL. I totally understand it, motorcycles can filter almost as well as pushbikes so they easily get to the front of the queue. when the lights go green, they're the fastest accelerating vehicle so they get the fuck out of the way. they generally stick to the right of the ASL anyway, whilst cyclists stick to the left. the single example that i can think of where we're all mixed is the lights at the junction of clerkenwell rd. and gray's inn rd.

why would a cyclist be in the right of an ASL anyway, unless turning right? makes no sense.

when the lights go green, they're the fastest accelerating vehicle so they get the fuck out of the way.

not always.... they sometimes take out cyclists in front of them whilst accelerating

hmm, anti-motorcycling or pro-cycling?

"However, CTC would also draw a distinction between policies to improve motorcyclists' safety (which we support) and those which would lead to increased use of motorcycles (which we do not believe can be justified)."

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By the way, have you considered using the parting wish 'Ride safely' instead of 'Ride safe'? So much less Americany.

I have now! A bad habit indeed, thanks for the heads up.

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Facts and figures?

This:

Be warned advancing over the ASL (line) is technically an RLJ, a friend was ticketed for this recently, even though they were not jumping just making space for themselves ahead of ASL-box infringers.

is but one reason why I would be disinclined to piss on the Met if it were to go on fire.

This:

is but one reason why I would be disinclined to piss on the Met if it were to go on fire.

Because they punish people that break the law?

as oliver says on many an occasion and I am fond of repeating, when riding a bike "we are traffic", and should act like it.
Too often cyclists act like victims, yes we are more vulnerable to injury then drivers of cars/taxi's/lorries etc, but so are motorcyclists.
Stop acting like traffic is your enemy and you are at its mercy, if you are traffic, act like traffic, too often we want to have our cake and eat it too, being vocal about being traffic one minute, and other road users should look out for us, and respect our vulnerability, then scooting the wrong way down a one way street the next.
Don't get me wrong I break a lot of the rules of the road when riding, but hey that's how I learnt to ride and as long as I don't hurt or endanger myself or others I will continue to do so.
Lots of the complaints on here are anecdotal and from where I'm sitting as both motorbike and cyclist, seem to be yet more bleating for special dispensation. If there was no ASL I would still roll up to the front of traffic and sit there waiting for the lights to change because thats the best place for me to be.
Ride safely, ride aware, and remember we are traffic, and we need to co-exist with other forms of it, by sharing the roads upon which we travel, rather than calling for ourselves to be the only form of traffic on the roads...

as you were...

absolutely right, cornelius.

+1 oh wise one!

Indeedy. Thank god for Corny.

That probably reads sarky but it aint!

can you still buy pepper spray in france?

Because they punish people that break the law?

Because they've entirely given up on actual policing in favour of rushing about waving fixed-penalty notices at the softest target in range, security theatre like the endless searching of anyone brown and with a beard at tube stations and other forms of pointless dickery. Having grown up outside London, my experience of the Met over the past decade or so has been one of pretty much continual disillusionment.

Because they've entirely given up on actual policing in favour of rushing about waving fixed-penalty notices at the softest target in range, security theatre like the endless searching of anyone brown and with a beard at tube stations and other forms of pointless dickery. Having grown up outside London, my experience of the Met over the past decade or so has been one of pretty much continual disillusionment.

So they should turn a blind eye to the small stuff and concentrate on the big issues?
Or try to please everyone in a society thats unsure of what the polices role should be in general?
Sorry, I'm not an expert.

The Met's traffic division are very good, but there are far too few of them. Many other police don't see traffic policing really as their job.

No turning of a blind eye required, just the exercise of some judgement. Have a look at the original post - several offences were being committed, the least serious of which was the cyclist's in terms of risk to safety. It's about equivalent in terms of assessment of risk to ignoring someone brandishing a spear in order to ticket someone with a water pistol - the fact that this happens constantly gets a bit wearing.

EDIT: just seen Oliver's post, with which I agree heartily. Prizes are on offer for actually spotting a Met traffic officer, though :-(

It does seem that there isn't enough police generally so they have a half hearted go at everything, and in the public eyes they fail miserably at it all. i wouldn't want to be a copper in this day day and age, it seems they have no friends anywhere. Everyone (including me) seems to think they could do a policemans job better though nobody does. Its a shame. maybe they need a pay rise to bring in new recruits, or just to see that some people have some respect for people having a go.