Road Wheels & Road Wheel Recommendations?

They are awesome though, so it's worth it.

Also a lot easier than the original Pacenti SL23 rims. I almost threw in the towel after wrestling with them for an hour on the side of the Madone.

Only if you don't push the tyre bead into the middle of the channel.

As for installing, pumping them up a lots will usually pop it in places.

Thanks. Stan's Crest look like a good option, especially for a 60kg weakling like me.

Which Novatec SL hubs did you mean? SL seems to equal superlight which does not equal disc but I'm sure you meant disc hubs?

I dunno man. I've never touched the stuff.

Thanks. I think I want something better, cheap wheels are no fun.

I'm still deciding as I've got a SRAM Force groupset I could reuse with TRP Hy/Rd's, but am tempted to treat myself to a new 105 groupset with RS685 hydro STI's and BR-RS785 calipers instead as this is the first new bike I've bought since 1996 and 105 is fantastic value.

I like Hope hubs and they've been good to me, so Crests on Pro 2 Evos sound good. It's a shame that Hope don't seem to make their £330 Hope Hoops version anymore but I have found the Crest 29er rims for £49 on sale.

They will be getting at least 28mm's, almost certainly bigger as the CdF takes up to 40mm tyres.

My advice is to go to a shop and try out the SRAM and Shimano hydraulic out in the road, I find them both equally great.

Having said that, I'm very happy with my 105/HY/RD set up, and only gonna change it once I can afford etap.

How come you didn't get the Genesis with the brakes you want? There's a Tiagra equipped one with HY/RD that work very well together and felt just like 105.

Maybe http://www.stradawheels.co.uk/product/novatec-disc-hubs/ though you might be able to find them cheaper elsewhere. I'm pretty sure that's what I'll go for when my rourke arrives.

D772SB for the back and D771SB for the front. 140g front, 273g rear, so less than chris king. if you're feeling baller then http://www.stradawheels.co.uk/product/dt-swiss-240-disc-hubs/

That is exactly why you should stick with buying @skinny wheels.

Moarpizza ;-)

And Bon Jovi tyres.

https://www.velovitality.co.uk/products/compass-bon-jon-tyre-700c-x-35mm

Fuck it, go 650b and fit massive 48mm tyres on the Croix de Fer.

Don't fit 700c, it distracts you from the now.

You basically can't buy the SRAM hydro groups for sensible money, virtually nowhere has stock and definitely not with the 165mm cranks I want. I like SRAM but they've overpriced/undersupplied themselves out of the equation unfortunately. This is a big argument for 105 (£79 for 105 165mm cranks, £240 for Farce 165mm cranks where they're actually in stock, LOL).

I've tried a CdF with the HY/RDs and they were fine if perhaps a tiny bit underwhelming, but I've heard the stock pads are crap. I still need to try the RS685/BR-RS785 combo.

I've ordered frame and forks because I wanted to spec the bike myself. The one I test rode was the 20 with Tiagra and HY/RD's and yes it was surprisingly slick, but Tiagra is not 105 (well it sort of is but 105 is sort of Ultegra).

Those Bon Jovis @fussballclub linked to are the tyres I want actually.

This will mostly be a road bike so 700c seems to make sense.

"Don't fit 700c, it distracts you from the now."

one of my favourites...

Ultegra level hydros are only slightly expensive on bike24, better (looking) hood shape IMO.

Technically they're not Ultegra level because they're non-series like the RS685 ;)

#shimanopedant

Seriously though thanks I'd spotted there wasn't much in it and the different hood shapes, will try to cop a feel in the real* and see which I prefer.

*(world)

Yes I liked that, very zen.

Ah yes, I thought you were talking about these:

"are tubeless rims more annoying/painful for installing normal tubes/tyres on?"

Not unless you do something silly like use traditional rim tape.

Wide rims are tougher to work with their traditional counterpart. Maybe. I find getting the same tyre on a TB14 tougher than an open pro for example

I haven't had any issues with wide rims. It's tubeless I know nothing about.

You basically can't buy the SRAM hydro groups for sensible money.

Spot on, even on trade it's pretty expensive, it's also even more frustrating that the 10 speed hydro cost a bit more than the 11 speed version!

And Tiagra is fucking amazing, it's nothing like the old 4600, and the shifting performance is identical to 105, definitely shitload better than 105 5700, those old levers design were a fucking nightmare to work on sometime.

The R685 is pretty much DA despite being a non-series, so worth going for, and because the shifting performance is great, just throw in all 105 and it still feel like a high end groupset.

This will mostly be a road bike so 700c seems to make sense.

650b is also a road tyres you fucknut.

Obviously never owned a pair of TB14's then ;)

When @Howard says tougher to work with than their traditional counterparts he means TB14's are rims for real men with strong hands. Very strong hands...

Howard knows a lot more than me about tubeless but I've read some tubeless ready rims seal a lot more easily than others. The Stan's I'm looking at are supposed to seal really easily, for example.