Mash / Cinelli Vigorelli

Althought the Dolan Seta seemed like a better bargain than the Cinelli MASH, especially since it's carbon and defintely more comfortable than the Cinelli.

I would probably take the Dolan as I like carbon, but bit of an assumption that is is more comfortable.
Don't think you can assume carbon is more comfortable just because it is carbon. A carbon track frame has stiffness as its main goal, not comfort.

That specific Seta is design for endurance races, so it could be more or on pair with the MASH for comfort.

That specific Seta is design for endurance races, so it could be more or on pair with the MASH for comfort.

Okay, you have obviously ridden both :-)

Endurance race on the relatively smooth track is not quite the same as riding on the road is it. All I am saying is that comfort is not really part of either of these frames so shouldn't be used as a basis for any choice between the two.

I've been riding a MASH on London's streets for 6 months.

No problems with comfort. Incredibly smooth.

Personal preference, but I wouldn't run carbon frame on the roads.

I know someone who ran over a pot hole an bent his frame.

Dolan's are fugly too. (IGO)

Okay, you have obviously ridden both :-)

Endurance race on the relatively smooth track is not quite the same as riding on the road is it. All I am saying is that comfort is not really part of either of these frames so shouldn't be used as a basis for any choice between the two.

it's base on observation really, I'm basing those on what 8've read, so for all I could know is that the ride charastic could be similar or more comfortable.

Personal preference, but I wouldn't run carbon frame on the roads.

I know someone who ran over a pot hole an bent his frame.

lol, you're funny.

OK with carbon forks though yeh?

I've been riding a MASH on London's streets for 6 months.

No problems with comfort. Incredibly smooth.

Personal preference, but I wouldn't run carbon frame on the roads.

I know someone who ran over a pot hole an bent his frame.

Dolan's are fugly too. (IGO)

it's base on observation really, no fact at all just my opinion, I'm basing those on what i've read (other peoples opinions) so for all know is that the ride charastic could be similar or more comfortable, of for all I know it couldn't, or for all we both know we could both be wrong, as both of our opinions are based on others peoples opinions, which are based on other peoples opinions which might possibly (or not) be based on fact.I hope you have found this advice helpful.

And this is exactly why you should take internet opinions with a pinch of salt ;)

And this is exactly why you should take internet opinions with a pinch of salt ;)

Yep. Apart from my opinions, obviously.

Bit worried about my carbon forks now, let's hope they don't bend. :-)

carbon doesn't bend, it snaps

happy riding :)

but I wouldn't run carbon frame on the roads.

I know someone who ran over a pot hole an bent his frame.
. (IGO)

yeah, that's always happening in the TDF as well. don't why they bother, to be honest.

Bit short. Carbon bends.

You'll find most materials have an elastic and plastic deformation phase.

This particular Italian frame entered the plastic phase over a pot hole.

Not good.

Bit short. Carbon bends.

You'll find most materials have an elastic and plastic deformation phase.

This particular Italian frame entered the plastic phase over a pot hole.

Not good.

Did you really spend a whole 2 hours googling that?

You did didn't you.

Common knowledge I thought?

Maybe not here.

Common knowledge I thought?

Maybe not here.

Nah don't be silly, there are people here that can't even fit tyres properly!

Common knowledge I thought?

Maybe not here.

not amongst people who know about bikes, no.

Bit short. Carbon bends.

You'll find most materials have an elastic and plastic deformation phase.

This particular Italian frame entered the plastic phase over a pot hole.

Not good.

Isn't the plastic phase actually snapping rather than bending. It would bend in the elastic phase wouldn't it?

Anyway, you stick to your theories, the rest of us can ride carbon as safely as any other frame materials...

lol, you're funny.

OK with carbon forks though yeh?

Forks? You mentioned those.

Not me.

Joy.

Forks? You mentioned those.

Not me.

Joy.

Well, considering the forks will be taking most of the force from travelling over a pothole, you ok in using them?
http://velospace.org/files/fade_Cinelli.jpg

Isn't the plastic phase actually snapping rather than bending. It would bend in the elastic phase wouldn't it?

Anyway, you stick to your theories, the rest of us can ride carbon as safely as any other frame materials...

Plastic phase is where the material deforms beyond repair.

If it was in the elastic it would have returned to the original shape.

So much fun.

Well, considering the forks will be taking most of the force from travelling over a pothole, you ok in using them?
http://velospace.org/files/fade_Cinelli.jpg

Oh, I get it. Funny pun on MASH carbon forks.

Forks are fine. Straight loading.

If it goes, it'll be behind the fork.

That would be the frame.

Carbon doesn't bend it flexes, you bender

Carbon doesn't bend it flexes, you bender

I think your right?

You're

You're

...the bender?

Flex and bend.

Same same.

You're going round in circles you daft twat.

Flex is elastic deformation. It is designed into a composite material, hell, all alloy materials to allow a component to deform slightly without any damage to the component.

Plastic deformation is when the material deforms to the point is unserviceable. Carbon fibre does not behave like alloys where it flexes in the elastic phase, noticeably bends (and stays bent) in the plastic phase, then total failure is reached when the component breaks.

Carbon fibre flexes then splinters. That's your lot. There will be a small plastic deformation phase but it won't be noticeable. If you own a permanently bent carbon fibre part then it's shit.