Epic win

Whitey rant

I understand him but he needs to get real. Sadly, or not, depending on your perspective, his music is a product on a marketplace and the email he recieved is the start of a negotiation - though not a subtle one from the production exec.

If he wants to live and make money from his art then he has to sell it. Don't be a tosser about it, the art of buying and selling is getting what you want, I'd say he is the loser as he's missing potential revenue because he has outmoded ideas of integrity, just say 'no it's not for free here's how much I want'. Easy.

Erm. If the starting point of negotiation is "we put zero monetary value on your contribution but want it" then walk away. Absolutely justified. What's in it for him?

it'll look good on his c.v.

He could have responded with a short ' thanks for your interest, my music will cost you a bazillion dollar' then wait for their response. I listened to whitey last night on the strength of this thread, quite a lot was shite. If you want free music then book unsigned bands and promote them instead of pay them. This will appeal to some, my mates band has done music for various computer game expansions. They got paid fuck all but there's more people seeing their name than if they declined to provide music.

They're called Shark Guff

The outcome of a good negotiation is both parties being equally annoyed.

Setting your starting position as "voila! Une purple shaft du vein pour monsieur" gives the message that only one party is going to be upset, and it's not you.

Erm. If the starting point of negotiation is "we put zero monetary value on your contribution but want it" then walk away. Absolutely justified. What's in it for him?

Monetary value has no bearing on quality of the item desired. Any good buyer will try and get as much as possible for nothing. Because you come in at zero doesnt mean it is valueless it means that the buyer is trying to get it for nothing.

It's generally wise not to start a negotiation by insulting the other party though, surely?

Which valuing their work at £0 might suggest.

"For this, your life's work, which I want, I offer you fuck all"

If I'm not paying you for my life's work I'm doing well.

It might not be diplomatic but I certainly sympathise with shitting the bed and throwing the toys out of the pram. Wankers.

Monetary value has no bearing on quality of the item desired. Any good buyer will try and get as much as possible for nothing. Because you come in at zero doesnt mean it is valueless it means that the buyer is trying to get it for nothing.

I go back to my "what's in it for him" comment. Zero cash and nothing else on offer? I'd walk away too. There's clearly nothing there to keep him at the negotiating table is there?

It's a pretty offensive starting position. We (my band) have just been offered a five date tour supporting an act who are on the verge of doing very well for themselves but we've been told there's no money. It's quite painful being told that, although we want you to take time off your jobs and traipse around the country with us, you're not worth paying even a token fee. It's not like it's small shows either. Time to start preparing merch and hope we don't lose too much money overall.

TL;DR? CSB.

You need the The Fabulous Fucktones.

LORDS of the merch.

saw a rare 1st edish FFT hat on cash in the attic the other day.

4 tru.

Was it still attached to the body?

just a head... still covered in mangravy... from three separate sources...

same dna?

never liked my 3rd wife...

same dna, same time, different angles. medical science is baffled.

It's a pretty offensive starting position. We (my band) have just been offered a five date tour supporting an act who are on the verge of doing very well for themselves but we've been told there's no money. It's quite painful being told that, although we want you to take time off your jobs and traipse around the country with us, you're not worth paying even a token fee. It's not like it's small shows either. Time to start preparing merch and hope we don't lose too much money overall.

TL;DR? CSB.

Man that's not right, they should know how it feels to have to scramble for cash... Hope you can get your money back.

It may give you new gigs, but you'd think they can at least pay expenses.

Le Manfriend plays in a band locally and he enjoys it but he's got a dayjob on the side. Restaurant generally don't pay well, £200 for 3 hours sounds great, but then they want a 4 piece band, so that's £50 a head, you need to get a van for the instruments, or taxis and it all adds up.

You'd think, eh?! We are pushing for expenses at least.
I think the only way to look at it is providing the potential for bigger and better things. Although we earn a shed load more cash for playing hugely fun gigs in small venues. I think perhaps we do it for the experience. At least we'll know whether to do it again.

I work a full time job and play a lot of shows. All my holiday is used up (gigs and festival shows) and I now have to take unpayed leave until April. I also play upright bass so yeah, transport is a bitch. I guess you don't play music for the lifestyle unless you're really lucky.

Anyway, on with the wins!

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