Bars

ffs care to tell me?
please pretty please with sugar on top ;-)

Anyone know where I can get some Scattos?

http://www.rutlandcycling.com/31137/3T-Scatto-LTD-Track-Bars---2011.html

Only £249.99

only

I ordered the steel ones via www.hubjub.co.uk who ordered them in from EAI distribution in USA, ended up £75 or so.

Just switch my ec90s back to b123 cromo :-)

http://www.rutlandcycling.com/31137/3T-Scatto-LTD-Track-Bars---2011.html

Not in stock, never have been.

http://outspokencycles.co.uk/handlebars/nitto-b125-handlebars.html

i bought mine here

After using Cinelli 67-39 pista bars and not getting on with them (using the tops isn't fun), I'm trying to decide which bars to go for.
I'm a longer legged shorter torso kind of guy who prefers endurance over sprints, and wants bars for training and maybe racing if I man up.

I've been looking at compact bars mainly the Soma Highway One. Would compact bars with 130 drop and 75 reach be acceptable to track use?

I had a minor quandry over traditional track vs ergo bars when I ordered my first track bike a few months ago. Track bars look cool, but I've ended up sticking with the road style bars that the bike came with, basically for comfort reasons. I've since noticed a lot of elite riders are happy to do the same for endurance/bunch events, e.g. Cav at Machester the other day.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/8902012/Mark-Cavendish-returns-for-one-off-track-event-in-Manchester.html

After using Cinelli 67-39 pista bars and not getting on with them (using the tops isn't fun), I'm trying to decide which bars to go for.
I'm a longer legged shorter torso kind of guy who prefers endurance over sprints, and wants bars for training and maybe racing if I man up.

I've been looking at compact bars mainly the Soma Highway One. Would compact bars with 130 drop and 75 reach be acceptable to track use?

It'd be impossible for anyone to answer your question properly online, especially me.

However, being a long limbed, short torso man myself. I've improved my own position on the track bike a lot by going longer and lower at the front end. Mostly in the stem, but I'm about to complete (well, hopefully complete) the process with a pair of Deda Pista bars whcih have a deeper drop and slightly longer reach than my current Pro Vibe Track bars which are quite compact.

There's so many variables though and the chances of your bike fit needs being similar to mine are less likely than them being dissimilar. So just ignore everything I've said.

Thanks very much guys, I'm in no doubt that compact/shallower bars will be more comfortable and improve my riding experience...

I guess what I'm asking is; are compact road bars frowned upon on the track?

I know sprinters us 'track bars' (classic deep drops) and the rest of us use 'road bars' (whether ergo or not),
but are 'compact bars' accepted as the norm? Hope that makes some sense.

Shallower bars are fine!

I was hoping you'd say that

The bars Chris Hoy has been using were availble from Dolans ebay for a while at around £70, they only sell them from their own website now at around 3times that much.(velodrome shop also has them, Alpina track bars) The french sprinters seem to do ok with 42cm, does Hoy train with those 33cm bars? Ive wide shoulder bone structure and found 38cm to hurt after around 1km of racing, my tt was 2cm too short on that bike so it prob made it worse.

most comfortable Ive use is the last 3T pista released, deeper drop than nitto b123 and a little extra reach but they flex alot during standing starts and any time out of the saddle. 7075 t6 and 250g if I recall corectly.

Hoy rides those very narrow bars because they have done testing in a wind tunnel and found they his frontal area is smaller and more aero dynamic when using them. When doing 10sec 200m times every little helps.

The longest even he rides is the Kerin so he does not have to worry about long distance comfort.

I'm 6ft2 averagely broad and use 40cm wide (centre to centre) sprint bars for track racing.

I've seen some bars are much narrower, even down to 33 cm!! I think Sir Chris has used 36cm, or certainly something narrower than 40cm.

Is there any benefit to going narrower than 40cm (unless you're smaller, of course)?

Jobs.

More aero, fit through smaller gaps and allow faster velocity bar spins..

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I think it may have something to d0 with bringing the arms more in line with the body so that the front cross sectional area is reduced = more aero?

I think that may be it, although happy to be told otherwise.

#trackfasion

That's right, GB team did extensive testing resulting in the manufacture of a new bar because of "fashion".

Flight of the Conchords Fashion - YouTube

Is there any benefit?
That depends on your ability.

Is there any benefit?
That depends on your ability.

Apart from flexibility (a major factor when considering aerodynamics*), I don't think ability affects frontal area.
I'm not very able, but I did find some gains by going to a 34 cm bar.

*if you're a fat gimmer sitting bolt upright with your knees out to accommodate your huge gut (and I know you're a bit like this, Dan) then narrower bars will do sfa.

34 inches!!!

hoops' chest is smaller than that!

The alpina ones that GB commissioned from Terry (which are now production) are 33 cm

(thanks for spotting that error dov)