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We all know Steve Jobs didn't invent the personal computer, Mp3 player, mobile phone, Tablet PC, Online Music Store, CGI Animation etc but he (and the people who worked with him) changed the game completely beyond recognition.

he's dead, it's a shame but life goes on.

What other tree is there to bark up?
He was no better or worse than his competitors (well, actually, did he ever do anything that could be compared to the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation?) which is why I do not admire him particularly. All these posts and not one mention of the people who actually make the damned product. Out of sight and out of mind; well, fuck it, no one who gets to be a billionaire that way impresses me much.

Fuck me you are predictable and quite boring.

Tim Berners-Lee is truely a visionary, and because of him, and the fact that he took the route of ensuring his idea was implemented for the benefit of everyone you can try and insult people on the internet.

Steve Jobs and Apple were only interested in what was good for Apple and ensured their shareholders, of which he was a major one, profited. Personally I don't think there is anything wrong with that, but I'm at a loss to understand how he was some kind of visionary. In my mind he was an excellent marketeer and created demand for his products but I don't see anything visionary in what he did.

If you think I'm wrong then please feel free to point out why he should be considered a visionary.

I'm gonna bow out and apologise for reaction.

Quite an interesting read if you can get through...

http://www.stephenfry.com/2011/10/06/steve-jobs/

'It is a very dismal business when a great personality dies and the world scrabbles about for comment, appraisal and judgment. I have been asked in the last 24 hours to appear and to write and to call in to join in the chorus of voices assessing the life and career of this remarkable man. But what was Steve Jobs? He wasn’t a brilliant and innovative electronics engineer like his partner and fellow Apple founder Steve Wozniak. Nor was he an acute businessman and aggressively talented opportunist like Bill Gates. He wasn’t a designer of original genius like Jonathan Ive whose achievements were so integral to Apple’s success from 1997 onwards. He wasn’t a software engineer, a mathematician, a nerd, a financier, an artist or an inventor. Most of the recent obituaries have decided that words like “visionary” suit him best and perhaps they are right.

As always there are those who reveal their asininity (as they did throughout his career) with ascriptions like “salesman”, “showman” or the giveaway blunder “triumph of style over substance”. The use of that last phrase, “style over substance” has always been, as Oscar Wilde observed, a marvellous and instant indicator of a fool. For those who perceive a separation between the two have either not lived, thought, read or experienced the world with any degree of insight, imagination or connective intelligence. It may have been Leclerc Buffon who first said “le style c’est l’homme – the style is the man” but it is an observation that anyone with sense had understood centuries before, Only dullards crippled into cretinism by a fear of being thought pretentious could be so dumb as to believe that there is a distinction between design and use, between form and function, between style and substance. If the unprecedented and phenomenal success of Steve Jobs at Apple proves anything it is that those commentators and tech-bloggers and “experts” who sneered at him for producing sleek, shiny, well-designed products or who denigrated the man because he was not an inventor or originator of technology himself missed the point in such a fantastically stupid way that any employer would surely question the purpose of having such people on their payroll, writing for their magazines or indeed making any decisions on which lives, destinies or fortunes depended.

It would be vulgar to say that the proof of the correctness of Jobs’s vision is reflected in the gigantic capitalisation value of the Apple Corporation, the almost fantastically unbelievable margins and the eye-popping cash richness which has transformed a company that was on the brink of collapse when Jobs arrived back in 1997 into the greatest of them all. All this despite low market share and an almost fanatical attention to detail and finish which would have 99% of CFO’s weeping into their spreadsheets.

“In most people’s vocabularies, design means veneer. It’s interior decorating. It’s the fabric of the curtains and the sofa. But to me, nothing could be further from the meaning of design. Design is the fundamental soul of a man-made creation that ends up expressing itself in successive outer layers of the product or service.” Steve Jobs in an Interview with Fortune Magazine, 2000.'

So essentially what Fry is saying is that because Jobs made people pay way over the odds for consumer electronics by using good design, enriching himself and the other Apple shareholders in the process, we should consider him a visionary?

Right.

'Style over substance' isn't a figure of speech, it's a truism which can be applied time and again. I see his point, but when the two become seperated and one triumphs the other, then it's no longer a silly expression. It's a fact.

Fry can bollocks.

That's a pretty reasonable and measured piece from Mr. Fry. Something he could have added is that Steve Jobs commanded the respect of the creatives and the geeks who worked for him.

Tim who?

Fucking nerds.

Apple business model?

can anyone lend me a bb tool?

Tim who?

You haven't got a clue have you Balki? Tim Berners-Lee! He was the less successful brother of Sara Lee. She made cakes. In fact, she made the first cake ever. Her brother made a silly machine, then there were questions as to him being not a true American, which was false of course.

Have a creamy slice?

BOSTON—Calling the death a “tragic loss” and saying he was “truly devastated by the news,” self-described Apple product loyalist Eric Cavanaugh is treating the passing of the company’s former CEO Steve Jobs as if his fucking dad just died, sources confirmed Thursday. “I can’t believe it,” said Cavanaugh, 28, wearing a saddened expression that would make you think he was mourning the loss of his 61-year-old father, Jack, and not a complete goddamn stranger. “He meant a lot to me, and I’ll miss him. I think I might send an e-mail to rememberingsteve@apple.com [instead of contacting the man he hasn’t talked to in a month who helped him with his homework, paid his college tuition, and has supported him throughout his entire life, loving him unconditionally despite his myriad fuckups].” At press time, Cavanaugh reportedly needs to get his fucking priorities straight.

I guess its okay to get back on topic sometime now like?

What do people actually think of the new-ish iPhone 4S? A revelation (Siri), or a disappointment?

What I find interesting is that Siri makes these phones all the easier to target by thieves. Listening to someone talking to their phone, and the Siri voice answers, will let thieves know exactly what model the person is carrying.

Steve Jobs and Apple were only interested in what was good for Apple and ensured their shareholders, of which he was a major one, profited. Personally I don't think there is anything wrong with that, but I'm at a loss to understand how he was some kind of visionary. In my mind he was an excellent marketeer and created demand for his products but I don't see anything visionary in what he did.

If you think I'm wrong then please feel free to point out why he should be considered a visionary.

maybe because he saw a way of making money from the music and computer business through good design and user friendliness combined with shrewd business practice, something that a lot of companies find it easier to fail at than succeed. not saying the word 'visionary' is the right one to describe such a person but i can't think of the right one. entrepreneur doesn't really do it as that's only good enough for a box shifter like Alan Sugar with Amstrad.

*an almost fanatical attention to detail and finish which would have 99% of CFO’s weeping into their spreadsheets.

*That's right, there was never anything wrong with the aerial.

"owner or manager of a business enterprise who makes money through risk and initiative" sounds fine to me.

Yeah, so this just popped up on one of my now ex-friends Facebook page...

Excuse me while I go and projectile vomit

"never forgotten"

I should fucking hope not, it's only been a day.

At least it doesn't say R.I.P.
Does anyone consider the meaning of that these days?

Rest in Peace.... Did he have a tumultuous horrible life before and you're hoping now he'll be enjoying some peace and quiet, or are you implying that most people once dead have a horrible time of it and it's really not all peaceful?

O.o

Oh.. I forgot this..

fuckwits

most of the people that have posted on this thread are utter tits lol.

^ yep

^ doh!

At least it doesn't say R.I.P.
Does anyone consider the meaning of that these days?

Rest in Peace.... Did he have a tumultuous horrible life before and you're hoping now he'll be enjoying some peace and quiet, or are you implying that most people once dead have a horrible time of it and it's really not all peaceful?

O.o

Haha lol, I hope he's burning in hell!