iOs & iOs Apps (inc iPhone, iPad, iPod, iBrick)

Right, I think it's sad that Steve Jobs has died at such a relatively young age and think that Apple make some excellent products, but to make out he's some kind of visionary is taking it too far.

First consumer personal computer
First commercially available GUI
First commercially available supercomputer
The iPod - not sure if it was first but it set the standard by which all subsequent devices would be judged.
First smartphone.
Revolutionised and revitalised the touch-screen computer.

That's pretty visionary.

Changing the faces of two entire industries.

That's pretty visionary.

First consumer personal computer
First commercially available GUI
First commercially available supercomputer
The iPod - not sure if it was first but it set the standard by which all subsequent devices would be judged.
First smartphone.
Revolutionised and revitalised the touch-screen computer.

That's pretty visionary.

First smartphone?

Fuck off.

First commercially available GUI? a) what the fuck does that mean and b) I think Xerox's Palo Alto lab did all the hard work well before Apple.

I'm getting the impression andy that you're a Bill Gates kinda guy?

Nope.

It's not a black and white thing, i.e. Jobs good, Gates bad.

What does one have to do to get to the status of 'visionary'?

Seemed pretty fucking visionary to me.

First consumer personal computer
First commercially available GUI
First commercially available supercomputer
The iPod - not sure if it was first but it set the standard by which all subsequent devices would be judged.
First smartphone.
Revolutionised and revitalised the touch-screen computer.

That's pretty visionary.

I'm by no means a fan boy of anything but some of that is not true.

First smartphone - depends what you'd class as a smart phone. Windows phones were around before that you had a stylus to use the screen.
The iPod - Creative actually had the first commercially available Mp3 player (basically what an iPod is)

First smartphone?

Fuck off.

First commercially available GUI? a) what the fuck does that mean and b) I think Xerox's Palo Alto lab did all the hard work well before Apple.

What Apple have done in the recent past and will probably keep doing is taking relatively new technology which hasn't hit the mainstream, packaging it up into a nice shiny box and adding a very high level of usability. iPod, IPhone and iPads are not 'visionary' products, they just took existing tech and made it both useable by everyone and, most importantly, desirable.

Impressive for sure.

Visionary?

First smartphone?

Fuck off.

First commercially available GUI? a) what the fuck does that mean and b) I think Xerox's Palo Alto lab did all the hard work well before Apple.

What part of "commercially available" did you not understand?
Xerox Parc was a research lab. The Apple Lisa was something you could buy.

And the iPhone was a game changer. It made everything else obsolete pretty much overnight.
Windows phones were shit and a joke. There was nothing smart about them.

Visionary?

yes, for doing this where no one else did, or was likely to:

they just took existing tech and made it both useable by everyone and, most importantly, desirable.

Job's done.

/thoughts to his friends and family

iLaughed

Gadgets are nothing if no one wants them. Everyone wants Apple products.

I'm by no means a fan boy of anything but some of that is not true.

First smartphone - depends what you'd class as a smart phone. Windows phones were around before that you had a stylus to use the screen.
The iPod - Creative actually had the first commercially available Mp3 player (basically what an iPod is)

I still have a creative jukebox.
It was crap compared with the iPod though.

What Apple have done in the recent past and will probably keep doing is taking relatively new technology which hasn't hit the mainstream, packaging it up into a nice shiny box and adding a very high level of usability. iPod, IPhone and iPads are not 'visionary' products, they just took existing tech and made it both useable by everyone and, most importantly, desirable.

Impressive for sure.

Visionary?

Probably. Recognising that the technology has potential beyond the uses to which it has already been put and designing products to release that potential could be classed as visionary, especially when you do it over and over again, very successfully.
Just look at what tablet computers looked like before the iPad. And how every one since has been a copy of it.

That level of usability is where Apple really excel. Regardless of the physical look of it, the software is the really smart part. Making a multi-touch screen phone or tablet computer was not a stroke of genius. Making it work so damn well was. As a marketing phrase goes, "you already know how to use it" is spot on.

I'm by no means a fan boy of anything but some of that is not true.

First smartphone - depends what you'd class as a smart phone. Windows phones were around before that you had a stylus to use the screen.
The iPod - Creative actually had the first commercially available Mp3 player (basically what an iPod is)

I had one... I think I swapped it for a minidisk player as it was plagued with problems.

Hey, I just tried that Siri thing and it worked really well. Spoke "What is the weather today?" into my the voice search and it worked a treat.

Weird thing is though, this isn't an iPhone 4S. Huh?

Excited about Siri, hate tapping away at phones.

What part of "commercially available" did you not understand?
Xerox Parc was a research lab. The Apple Lisa was something you could buy.

And the iPhone was a game changer. It made everything else obsolete pretty much overnight.
Windows phones were shit and a joke. There was nothing smart about them.

You need a fucking lesson in the history of GUIs.

And Windows weren't the only smartphones around you ignoramous. A little company in London was the market leader long before Apple arrived (and still has a larger market share than Apple despite being fucked up by it's shareholders). The iPhone was a game changer, but that was due more to the incompetence and complacency of the market incumbents than anything visionary that Apple did.

Bainbridge is bang on with what Apple (and Jobs) were good at.

"Send text to Eddie Hitler"

BONG

Done.

the only thing sadder than steve jobs karking it is how quickly this thread has descended into predictably sad fanboy dickswinging. you sound like two babies fighting over a dirty nappy. pathetic.

points at post #1801

He was a visionary