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He wasn't "crashed into" on Sunday, he drove right across another car who had the line, and indeed had absolutely nowhere else to go. I know you think he's marvellous, but that was a dick move and he's lucky that it didn't kill him or anyone else.

Do you really think Susie will fetch more sponsorship with her? I would imagine that Massa, a national Brazilian icon, would easily have more sponsorship money available to bring to the table. Isn't that how it works in the lower ranking teams?

I'm sure he's worth a packet in sponsorship that he can bring to a team, but he's not really an icon, is he? Seriously?

Icon's are generally successful in their field. "Nearly winning it" isn't really icon material.

Vettel - icon.
Schumacher - icon.
Valentino Rossi - icon.

David Coulthard - a Massa type icon.
Mark Webber - a Massa type icon...

Can you see where I'm going with this?

I'm sure he's worth a packet in sponsorship that he can bring to a team, but he's not really an icon, is he? Seriously?

Icon's are generally successful in their field. "Nearly winning it" isn't really icon material.

Vettel - icon.
Schumacher - icon.
Valentino Rossi - icon.

David Coulthard - a Massa type icon.
Mark Webber - a Massa type icon...

Can you see where I'm going with this?

What you're saying is that Massa was the Penfold to Alonso's Danger Mouse.

He wasn't "crashed into" on Sunday, he drove right across another car who had the line, and indeed had absolutely nowhere else to go. I know you think he's marvellous, but that was a dick move and he's lucky that it didn't kill him or anyone else.

I'm actually quite ambivalent when it comes to Massa. I think he's a good driver, not a great one. Like B&D states, more in line with Webber, Coulthard, Barrichello etc.

However I'll be very surprised if you can find someone experienced in that field (i.e. racing driver or ex-racing driver) who will state that it was Massa's fault. Including Magnussen.

Just because I disagree with you, doesn't mean it's as a result of bias.

No way was that Massa's fault. Magnussen's front left wheel hit Massa's right rear. Rule #1 of racing - overtake or do not overtake. Don't just stick your nose up the inside and see what happens. Rookie error.

I'm actually quite ambivalent when it comes to Massa. I think he's a good driver, not a great one. Like B&D states, more in line with Webber, Coulthard, Barrichello etc.

However I'll be very surprised if you can find someone experienced in that field (i.e. racing driver or ex-racing driver) who will state that it was Massa's fault. Including Magnussen.

Just because I disagree with you, doesn't mean it's as a result of bias.

I found four, one an ex world champion:
On Sky F1 Martin Brundle, Damon Hill, Johnny Herbert and Anthony Davidson all took the view that it was Massa's mistake and that Magnussen had every right to be there. Replays show that Massa appears not to even look in his mirrors or to his side before swiping across the track, so the argument that Magnussen was maybe too far back to be seen is moot. Brundle was especially convinced.
I saw the BBC highlights and Coulthard took the view that it was Magnussen's view for daring to try and drive round a corner on the only bit of track available to him, but where else could he go? The grass?

Magnussen doesn't think it was his fault either, by the way:
http://www.thenational.ae/sport/formula-one/magnussen-rejects-blame-for-massa-crashing-out-early-again

No way was that Massa's fault. Magnussen's front left wheel hit Massa's right rear. Rule #1 of racing - overtake or do not overtake. Don't just stick your nose up the inside and see what happens. Rookie error.

So the sort of collision that might happen if Massa was, for example, to drive his car right across your line then?

He's in front. He is entitled to take the racing line. If there's another car beside him then he's lost the corner and it's his responsibility to give room. I'd still classify it as a racing incident of the 'these things happen' category.

They certainly do happen to Massa.

I can't see how anyone can consider Massa not responsible for that. Taking the apex into the very first corner from the opposite side of the grid is pretty daft for someone of his experience.

It's not like Magnussen suddenly dived up the inside, out-braking himself. He was practically alongside Massa the whole time.

I'm sure he's worth a packet in sponsorship that he can bring to a team, but he's not really an icon, is he? Seriously?

Icon's are generally successful in their field. "Nearly winning it" isn't really icon material.

Vettel - icon.
Schumacher - icon.
Valentino Rossi - icon.

David Coulthard - a Massa type icon.
Mark Webber - a Massa type icon...

Can you see where I'm going with this?

Yeah I do and ok 'icon' maybe the wrong word but the point still stands, maybe 'national treasure'? He is popular in Brazil and so was Barichello, Coulthard, not so popular.

Elton John's a national treasure.

So were Rolf Harris and Jimmy Sa-vile.

Rolf wasn't ours.

Nice work Ferrari, smart move. Real shame for Hamilton, on the plus side we get to watch another great charge through the field tomorrow. Great driving from Bianchi, not long until he gets snapped up from a top team I'm sure!

Yes Ricciardo!

tuned in for the last 11 laps
nice racing

Well done to Ricciardo. Red Bull seem to be maximising all that they can, and I'm wondering that if the Renault unit were equal to the Merc, would they be uncatchable?

Lewis may be in a bit of bother with Mercedes for not allowing Rosberg to pass, but Lauda will appreciate a driver coming from 20th to 3rd. Nobody can get a dressing down for that type of drive.

Good to see Alonso back on the podium. Great race.

Completely agree with Hamilton's view. He was racing Alonso and couldn't just pull over to let Rosberg past when he was about 2 seconds behind. Amazing race, looking forward to seeing how many places Hamilton has gained at the end of the race, it'll surely be record breaking. Great to see Alonso get a decent result though!

http://www.espn.co.uk/hungary/motorsport/story/169777.html

Good man Niki Lauda. Good man.

Asked what he would have done if he had been radioed by a team with similar orders, Lauda added: "I would have not even answered."

It was a really weird order to have given. Hamilton made the right call by ignoring it - nothing would have been gained and Rosberg would have just had more of a lead in the points, obviously.

Are they gonna take this one of him? If not, Aussie Aussie Aussie!

It was a really weird order to have given. Hamilton made the right call by ignoring it - nothing would have been gained and Rosberg would have just had more of a lead in the points, obviously.
It would only have made sense if Rosberg was a couple of seconds a lap faster than Hamilton and could pass Alonso quickly, but there was no outward indication of that.

That was an outstanding race! Hamilton definitely driver of the day. Fair play on all counts. Rosberg was way too far back to get past him. Bad call from the pit wall. I see it pretty much how Niki Lauda and Jacques Villeneuve have said.

So much more going on in the race as well. Awesome drive from Ricciardo. Alonso still getting more that the car should really give.

Vettel's spin was close!

fucking hell