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Lynx you started YOUR OWN thread about lock security, and I suggest that is the best place to advertise your impersonation of a YouTube kook (the nutty Captain Cropper). Please leave this thread (which you've criticised) to people that actually make good use of it.
Have a look at all the linkbacks below.
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lynx, i have a Fah mini for you to attack.
Ash, don't bite his head off.
Will Pm you near the time as I'm going to do this as I'd like to get a collection together.
PS Bought some lock picks on the internet and instructions on how to beat different locks, which supposidly was locksmiths only.
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Lynx you started YOUR OWN thread about lock security, and I suggest that is the best place to advertise your impersonation of a YouTube kook (the nutty Captain Cropper). Please leave this thread (which you've criticised) to people that actually make good use of it.
Have a look at all the linkbacks below.
If you wish to disrespectful to someone, why do you include the information that the 'kook' found?
Criticism that you have supplied a list, yet provide no data/proof just other peoples such as the kook.
If you want a discount on almax chains PM me and I'll see what maxine fom almax can do.
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If you wish to disrespectful to someone, why do you include the information that the 'kook' found?
Criticism that you have supplied a list, yet provide no dataO/proof just other peoples such as the kook.
If you want a discount on almax chains PM me and I'll see what maxine fom almax can do.
Lynx I can't relate to you. I wish that you would revive your own locks thread and go from there.
Captain Cropper has as much credibility to me as The Captain and Tenille. And I have never given your Humvee-driving Captain Cropper any credit, because I have never used information from him. Read back for yourself.
One piece of important data I did use, was that hardened steel bars (and links) of locks of 16mm and thicker DOES NOT CUT BY USING HAND/ARM POWER ON BOLTCUTTERS. I got that from reading from several different manufacturers, who had carried out their own separate tests, and that was the unconnected finding, from all the different companies. The companies in question were not connected and couldn't have shared this info, as they are competitors. Therefore the data gathered by them could be treated as reliable. That's why I used it. Nothing to do with idiots on YouTube.
That's twice you've asked me if I want a discount from ALMAX. I am not your friend Lynx. I will never, ever be your friend, not on the internet, and never in real life. Please, no more offers......not of anything. Ever.
Up till now, this thread has been serious. It's used as a reference by hundreds or thousands of people. You start things and don't finish. You think you're being helpful, but aren't. It's disingenuous to use this one as your platform, especially after your critcisms.
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Ashley, come on, don't bite his head off, he's posting it in the right location "lock that work" by imposing a test of his own.
I'm pretty keen on finding out how a Fah Mini that we all praised with our fixie skidding live on, held up with a normal angle grinder (if that's the tools he's going to use).
I can confrim that the U-lock on the New York Fah chain (100mm) can be cut in 5 minutes, abet with lots of sparks and noise, took a photos of it too, and surprisingly you only need to cut one side to take off the chain.
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Lynx I can't relate to people like you. I wish that you would revive YOUR OWN LOCK THREAD and go from there. Why choose this one?
Does UTFS mean anything to you?
Captain Cropper has as much credibility to me as The Captain and Tenille. And I have NEVER given your ridiculous and retarded Humvee driving Captain Cropper any credit, because I have never used information from him. Read back for yourself.
You are quoting what he and almax championed about chain link size.
One piece of important data I did use, was that hardened steel bars (and links) of locks of 16mm and thicker DOES NOT CUT BY USING HAND/ARM POWER ON BOLTCUTTERS. I got that from reading from several different manufavturers, who had carried out their own separate tests, and that was the unconnected finding, from all the different companies. The companies in question were not connected and couldn't have shared this info, as they are competitors. Therefore the data gathered by them could be treated as reliable. That's why I used it. Nothing to do with idiots on YouTube.
Once again, you (singular) have not included all the facts its the type of hardening used. Certain type of hardening makes the steel weaker as it hardens all the way through and can be easier to brake. Please get the right information as manufactures lie to sell to people.
That twice you've asked me if I want a discount from ALMAX. No, I don't. Please keep your offers for friends that you may, or may not have. I am not your friend Lynx. I will never, ever be your friend, not on the internet, and never in real life. Please, no more offers......not of anything. Ever.
Do you (singular) understand about personal pronouns? (Here's a wikipedia linkhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You) PS the offer was never made to you (singular) it was made to those thinking of buying the lock.
I have left one thread permanently because of you. It would be a pity if I had to leave my own threads also. Can't you use YOUR LOCK THREAD? I know you don't have to, and it seems that our Administrator has you covered. I think that is a pity. I find your just purposefully disruptive and attention seeking.
Up till now, this thread has been serious. It's used as a reference by hundreds or thousands of people. You start things and don't finish. You think you're being helpful, and you're not. Please Lynx, use your own thread for your ideas on security. It's disingenuous to use this one as your platform, especially after calling this thread "Just a list".
You know what feel free. Please I'm intrigued that you (singular) ridicule including the sold secure and thatcham not being reliable as these facts were highlighted and bought to the press by the people you name call.
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For the record:
I have never belittled Thatcham, in fact I have said of my respect for their testing measures, and the fact that
they are so well backed by the insurance industry. Pity that they test mostly for automobiles, and not at all for bicycle locks.I have definitely said that I find the SOLD SECURE system of rating to be highly questionable.
Here is evidence of GOLD rated locks, that I feel will NOT properly protect bikes.MasterLock Fortnum U-Lock and cable (U-bar 13mm, Cable 10mm) - easily cut
ABUS City Chain 1060/110 (10mm links) - easily cut
Abus Granit Steel-O-Flex 1000 (25mm shell, ie. hollow cylinders, not solid steel) - easily cut -
Very good review.
I saw this lock in GA2G's seminal lock thread and was immediately taken by its size and apparent robustness. And it's fair to say that the fantasy of hearing the alarm go off, going outside and beating the thief to a barely living pulp with his own boltcroppers played some part in the purchase too.
I got one from Cissbury Leathers and with some other stuff got the free postage, and they delivered quickly. I got a Fabric Horse holster made for both my Mini Fahg and the new Xena ($5 bucks extra plus the measurements gets you a double holster) and was ready to go.
First of all, this lock is huge. The shackle is very thick, and covered in clear plastic, which looks very nice with the massive locking piece at the end and I'm told prevents freeze spray attacks. I don't know if thieves are intimidated by lock aesthetics or not, but I would be.
It's also very heavy. it weighs 3kg, which is a kilo more than the Mini Fahg, if you're familiar with that. It's not so bad in the holster, although the 5kg weight of the pair of them is pulling the poppers out of the belt. Fortunately I can keep my bike indoors at both ends of my commute, so carrying this thing would not be the norm, but it's OK in any case. I expect smaller people would probably feel it more, but at over a 100kg rolling weight, it's not a massive addition for me.
Xena do a lot of alarm locks - disc locks, padlocks and so on, and as you can see the alarm system is fairly generic. It takes quite an expensive amount of watch batteries, but batteries are supplied. I don't know if the factory batteries are cheap crap or not, but they don't last very long - I got three full length alarm bursts from the ones supplied with the lock. The alarm itself is also not very loud. Up close it's quite unpleasant, but no more than using an angle grinder. And if you're in a noisy pub and the bike is over the road, you won't hear it. So while it might put someone off, it's probably not going to alert you unless you are listening out for it.
The lock mechanisms - both the actual unlocking and the shackle removal - are both pretty fiddly. The key is small, and doesn't fit very easily. I found myself repeatedly removing the lock mechanism when I meant to just unlock it. Removing the shackle isn't particularly smooth either. unlike the Kryptonite, I have to shake it a few times and hit the lock to get the shackle to come out. And putting it back in can be tricky too, for the same reason.
The alarm trigger is also pretty unsophisticated: a single knock will trigger it, and once triggered, the only way to disarm it is to unlock it, with that fiddly little key. It gives you 5 seconds warning, during which time in your rising you will struggle to get the key in at all. The trigger mechanism also means that anyone else locking their bike near yours will probably set your alarm off if they nudge your bike at all. And if you're locking your own bike, you'll need to make sure you use your other lock first, as fitting it second will set of the Xena.
In summary, I'd say you should spend your money on something that is as strong but lighter or cheaper. It looks hardcore and I'm sure it's an absolute bitch to cut through, but it's extremely heavy and for my purposes the alarm isn't worth the weight and ongoing battery expense. Lastly, the locking mechanism and the shackle fit just feels clumsy, and I'd prefer to have a lock that didn't get in the way of locking.
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Might I suggest that you contact Xena directly, regarding the batteries, and other concerns. They do read this thread.
My guess, is that your lock may have been a display model, put back into the box and sold to you. I only think that because the
batteries should not just last for 3 alarms. Thats very poor. If the batteries were old, it would expain it, or if it had been trialled
on display also.EDIT:
Something else that you didn't mention in your review Chocky, is that the lock is designed to be used WITH the alarm (with batteries of course), or WITHOUT the alarm (with batteries no longer required). So it has a dual use design, where it can be just used for its physical security (where no alarm is required), or can also be used where an audible alarm would actually be required. -
What do we think of this little lock?
My sister needs a lock (just for birmingham & a 80's town bike) Im thinking of getting this. Sure, no cheap d-locks are going to have excellent security but at least its no bigger than it has to be.
Under £6 delivered!
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Seems like this is only 8cm long, going to doublecheck with seller.
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Have a bit of time on my hands at the mo and am looking at locks to attack, whilst attached to a crappy frame I have. So anyone want to donate a lock drop me a pm and will provide pictures/video of how easy it is to be bypassed.