What time is it? Watches and horology

I would say Grand Seiko but, logo issues aside, this is a bargain for under £1k.

I would like a "true", automatic GMT.

this is a bargain for under £1k.

Damn you I really like that

Left field is the Glycine Airman. Quite a few variations.

I would also like it to appreciate in value, a trick I've not managed with all of my watch purchases but one that I am keen to get the hang of.

Then you have to buy a Rolex or Patek and hope for the best.

I know your speedmaster has greatly appreciated but I don’t think any of Omega’s GMT models would as none are LEs. Happy to be corrected though...

Blackface looks quite low key in the flesh

Golf club thread?

I would also like it to appreciate in value

Buy a 16710 with tritium dial from a reputable seller.

https://www.watchfinder.co.uk/Rolex/GMT%20Master%20II/16710/7450/item/149787?searchId=aa64593a-a00b-4acf-aa13-d3f5256975f6&rank=5

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Edit - I’m looking for nato adaptors before I sell.

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That's a luminova dial

Amsterdam vintage watches has a nice tritium 16700? Jasper's a good guy. https://amsterdamvintagewatches.com/shop/rolex-gmt-master-16700-3/

https://vario.sg/pages/vario-g-shock-nato-kit?gclid=CjwKCAiAqqTuBRBAEiwA7B66hSBB4s3xrGNdDjISObrsGHdKhNjfFx6Vf4T7mx0ta0Mjl7Ro0JAgoxoCJiIQAvD_BwE

Needs 24mm strap iirc

Go and try on a Grand Seiko SBGE205 or SBGE211, whatever you think of GS. It is a great watch in a good size (it wears smaller than the spec sounds).

SBGJ219 If you want something smaller and a bit less sporty or you prefer high beat / automatic to spring drive. There is another similar non high beat light dial one.

Buy grey market (eg Watches of Mayfair) or tax free and it will hold its value. If they did plummet I would suggest you buy a second hand one, but they don’t.

If you actually want it to appreciate it pretty much has to be a Rolex.

None of those are GMT tho.

A Patek Philippe watch has sold for a record 31m Swiss francs (£24.2m) at a charity auction hosted by Christie’s in Switzerland. It is by far the highest price ever paid for a wristwatch, and all of the proceeds will be donated to research into muscular dystrophy.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/nov/11/worlds-most-expensive-watch-sells-for-242m-in-charity-auction

OK, so a true GMT automatic that has a chance of appreciating in value and isn't a Rolex / Tudor. Well that should be easy :)

Sadly, as others up-thread have said, the "appreciating in value" bit is impossible to predict and unlikely unless you're super lucky or into silly money Pateks etc (and are somehow able to get them at RRP). Buying secondhand would keep losses lower, but obviously comes with a bit more risk.

What's the budget?
And out of interest, what's the prob with Rolex or Tudor?

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That's a luminova dial

Amsterdam vintage watches has a nice tritium 16700? Jasper's a good guy. https://amsterdamvintagewatches.com/shop­/rolex-gmt-master-16700-3/

Why the preference for Tritium over Luminova?

And out of interest, what's the prob with Rolex or Tudor?

I'm just annoyed with Rolex for their market control strategy (as effective as it clearly is in stoking demand), and if I bought a Tudor it'd remind me that I wanted, but could not buy, a Rolex every time I looked at it.

A colleague and collector just got the chance to buy a (new) Pepsi GMT from an AD at retail....... if he also buys a Milgauss from them at retail. LOL.

That's not a bad deal tbf. Stick them both on a card and then flip the Milgauss.

All of them are GMTs with a jumping local hour. SBGE not SBGA.

If he doesn’t take that deal, I will!!

My bad. For some reason Google kept returning different watches.

Re appreciating in value. Long term I'm sure a Rolex GMT is a good bet. But right now it's peak GMT fever, after a great stock market run, a good 10yrs after the last recession, not long before Brexit is going to be implemented, with a nutter in the White House.

For those reasons I'd be hesitant to pay a premium for something that I wanted to see a return on.