Why Are Cyclists So Hated...

It's also a good reason to be veggie.

What's better for the planet, locally reared organic meat or a high food mileage processed soya veggie product?

Zero Emission in terms of use, not manufacture - much like the bicycle

That's still ignoring the actual costs though is it not?

We burn calories to cycle along, calories which we would not use if we were on the bus.

So we as cyclists must use more calories than more sedentary people (if we are all maintaining a standard BMI).

Ergo just being a cyclist increases your impact on food production, transportation of said food etc etc

Clearly.

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Olive oil, pepper, salt, sage.

What's better for the planet, locally reared organic meat or a high food mileage processed soya veggie product?

That's one of those trick questions isn't it. It came from Berkshire though.

That's still ignoring the actual costs though is it not?

We burn calories to cycle along, calories which we would not use if we were on the bus.

So we as cyclists must use more calories than more sedentary people (if we are all maintaining a standard BMI).

Ergo just being a cyclist increases your impact on food production, transportation of said food etc etc

But on a bus you're using oil, and the net effect of that is blah blah blah.

Really, it's all about being as sustainable as possible and minimising (not entirely removing) our impact on the planet.

Question therefore is: do we burn more joules of power in our additional power requirement for cycling than we would in terms of additional oil for the bus.

I think that our impact on the fuel consumption of the bus would be tiny- what impact is the additional 1,500 calories of food that we need?

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I think a cyclist would eat less than someone on the bus. Maybe more scones, but fewer calories in total.

So you are saying that traveling say 5 miles on the bus requires more calories than cycling the same distance?

You would eat breakfast, lunch, and dinner if you cycled or took the bus. Difference?

I don't eat more as a result of cycling 10 miles a day. If I did double that, maybe. I've heard the calories argument before for cycling, but it's always seemed redundant for short journeys.

I'll try and find the article I read where they did some calculations on this, it worked out as being "greener" to drive to the shops than walk, as the petrol used had less carbon debt than the food required to power the walking.

I think physical exercise reduces your appetite. People who don't exercise aren't in tune with their bodies and don't calculate how much their bodies 'require'. They just shovel in what they fancy.

I have to say that that is not my experience.

But Dammit, by that token, one could never walk anywhere, but only drive and eat, and somehow 'save' energy. Maybe over long distances, >10 miles. I have a book with this scenario at home. If I can remember/be bothered I'll look it up. I agree, it sounds rubbish.

Well, ultimately you should work from home and have food delivered via a tube.

I'm trying to point out that this mania we seem to have for reducing energy usage is applied very selectively- we seem to ignore the energy that some actions requires.

Energy is energy, just because we are using it to do something worthy does not mean that we are not using it.

We are in danger of falling into the electric car trap if we profess otherwise.

'Regular exercise reduces the appetite, in part by modifying the insulin response, which reduces the upward spike that has been associated with increased appetite. Exercise helps control blood sugar, leading to a steady state associated with fullness.' Forgot to notice where it was from - it's been a long day. Anyway, they hate us because we're in the way.

I agree Dammit. People have no idea about the energy required to process the mountain of ‘recycling’ they leave by the bin, or that their electric cars are powered by coal or nuclear power.

I think a cyclist would eat less than someone on the bus. Maybe more scones, but fewer calories in total.

depend on how they ride.

I find myself eating the same amount of food when I ride in a manner of taking it easy on the ol' dutch bike, even in a 10 miles commute.

the more you push it, the more fuel you need, so those who sprint/rlj/etc. end up requiring more fuel.

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That is the Reverend Kris Korda

Absolute genius

check out http://www.churchofeuthanasia.org/catalog/video.html

V V nsfw

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Kris is a man, you can find pics of him sitting in a bath pissing in his own mouth.

also veevee NSFW

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I think physical exercise reduces your appetite. People who don't exercise aren't in tune with their bodies and don't calculate how much their bodies 'require'. They just shovel in what they fancy.

Disagree - cycling all the time makes me as hungry as a horse! Plus calories in have to be balanced against calories out. Look at the diet of someone like Michael Phelps and tell me that physical exercise reduces his appetite...

Although having derailed somewhat, this thread's content is so alien for me to read as a Dutchman, i have a hard time grasping the concept of having to 'fight for your right' as a cyclist and meeting with so much ignorance on the streets and at a political level. Damn them, it will take some time before they understand it's just so easy, fast, cheap, healthy and fun to ride a bike.

The number of bikes in the Netherlands (18 million) is higher than the number of people (16.5 million). There's about 7.5 million cars. Bikes have dominated the streets since forever, almost everyone learns to ride one around age 4. Most of them keep riding one to just about anywhere. Many people use a racing bike or mountain bike, or even go on holiday on bike. It's in the Dutchies' bones.

Of course our country is 95% flat and most of the cycling is done whithin city boundaries. But to not always have access to a bike and suitable, even designated infrastructure and recognition as a part of the traffic would be unimaginable. Of course there's plenty to gripe and moan about - if there wasn't any of that going on this wouldn't be Holland. Bad cyclepaths, missing links in recreational routes, well all luxury really.

There's some cyclists that ignore traffic rules and display dangerous riding - at least in the eye of drivers or pedestrians - and there's always a discussion about groups (little pelotons) of bikers training and going over the line, having impromptu races or sprints on the public roads. And of course not everyone expects you're riding fast and make incorrect judgements or fail to anticipate. This sometimes makes us hated, but generally everyone gets the concept and partakes in the 'fun'.

Hope it will get better for you guys, glad you're all helping to make it so.

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its a guy...

Er sohi

I have already covered that