Bike fit / correct riding position

Just lowered it after getting a bit carried away pushing it up and forward for epic power! ( for 90 seconds before my quads implode that is)

Thought hashtag would give it away.

Change the mount location perhaps?

Its not annoying. Just curious really. Have a new saddle now, so that'll need dialling in. Plus new road shoes, which'll need the cleats dialling in. Before I look into small curiousities in pedal stroke.

Train yourself not to do it if the motion is only very slight. Watch your knees on the turbo and make sure you're tracking them straight, correct the motion if not.

I do the same thing and my bike fitter told me to do hip abductor strengthening exercises with a swiss ball to help beef up the muscles that control the lateral movement there.

Train yourself not to do it if the motion is only very slight. Watch your knees on the turbo and make sure you're tracking them straight, correct the motion if not.

I do the same thing and my bike fitter told me to do hip abductor strengthening exercises with a swiss ball to help beef up the muscles that control the lateral movement there.

This is what I was thinking. Pretty sure its just bad habit.

I do a bit of swiss ball training at home. So I could incorparate that too. Although I'm about to have horrendous acupuncture on my right hip joint. Maybe I'll wait to see what that does.

some arch supports could help too if you have anything other than flat feet

some arch supports could help too if you have anything other than flat feet

Low arches, and uber wide fore feet.

You've confused me now though. I went for a ride last night, and made an effort not to track inwards. Didnt require much thinking. It just didnt happen.

Thing is. I had my new road shoes on. Which had loads more arch support than my old NWs. I could really feel it. They're Bonts. I was going to mold them some more to flatten the arch. But it felt quite nice last night (been molded to my feet twice already). Think I'll leave them.

I wonder if that helped reduce the angling in of my legs?

I tend to hunch my shoulders which leads to lower neck/upper back pain.

how can I make myself relax?

I tend to hunch my shoulders which leads to lower neck/upper back pain.

how can I make myself relax?

Could that be a saddle thing?

I guess when you arch your back, and hunch your shoulders. Your sensitive area is lifted somewhat off the nose of the saddle.

In the bike fitting video posted the other week, he showed how raising the bars enables people to hunch their shoulders less.

I tend to hunch my shoulders which leads to lower neck/upper back pain.

how can I make myself relax?

I do the same.
lower your head. don't look too far ahead?
taking weight off my hands/arms has helped me a bit. (shorter reach, cleats backwards)
But I'd like to improve posture too.

Core core core

Low arches, and uber wide fore feet.

You've confused me now though. I went for a ride last night, and made an effort not to track inwards. Didnt require much thinking. It just didnt happen.

Thing is. I had my new road shoes on. Which had loads more arch support than my old NWs. I could really feel it. They're Bonts. I was going to mold them some more to flatten the arch. But it felt quite nice last night (been molded to my feet twice already). Think I'll leave them.

I wonder if that helped reduce the angling in of my legs?

I'm no bike fitter so take what I say with a pinch of salt, but from what I understand, most people require some degree of arch support. Most shoes ship out with insoles that provide close to nil and hence most people would benefit from getting some with some support. How much you need is a little tricky to figure out unless you have one of those fancy esole type insoles which let you swap out different arches. A bike fitter will have a large range of heights to try.

The reason your knee tracks in is due to the lack of a platform for your feet to push against, so your feet will roll inwards. If you conciously force yourself to track your knees straight, you will be loading the outside edge of your foot and most likely end up with sore feet. Wedging will help too if your feet naturally sit at an angle that isn't exactly horizontal. And of course if you have muscle imbalances that doesn't help either.

I tend to hunch my shoulders which leads to lower neck/upper back pain.

how can I make myself relax?

Xanax

I'm no bike fitter so take what I say with a pinch of salt, but from what I understand, most people require some degree of arch support. Most shoes ship out with insoles that provide close to nil and hence most people would benefit from getting some with some support. How much you need is a little tricky to figure out unless you have one of those fancy esole type insoles which let you swap out different arches. A bike fitter will have a large range of heights to try.

The reason your knee tracks in is due to the lack of a platform for your feet to push against, so your feet will roll inwards. If you conciously force yourself to track your knees straight, you will be loading the outside edge of your foot and most likely end up with sore feet. Wedging will help too if your feet naturally sit at an angle that isn't exactly horizontal. And of course if you have muscle imbalances that doesn't help either.

Makes sense.
I'll see how I get on with the new shoes as they are. Which is very supportive around the arch while not be uncomfortable to my flattish feet.

If I hadnt fitted the external battery where I did. Which lead to me seeing the inwards track of my knees. Which led me to asking on here. Which lead to your interesting answer. I would be cooking my bonts and pressing out the arch about now.

Considering my plans for 2014. Tis could have been a lucky break for my legs.

Cheers.

I had a discussion with a local bike fitter last night as I was thinking of booking in for a cleat fitting and possibly a full bike fit.

I was told that they would only do a cleat fitting if i switched to speedplay pedals, apparently because they don't change the position of the cleat or add shims and will only be changing spinle length to achive the correct fit. Does this sound correct as i have no idea? Is it just a ploy to make me buy some speedplays from them?

I don't see how you can do a cleat fitting without changing the position of the cleats. Sounds total bullshit to me unless there's more to this than you've mentioned.

^^^I had scherrit do mine a few years ago. I ended up needing two cleat wedges in my left foot with low arch support, and 1 cleat wedge on my right with high arch support. I reckon I'm a bit special though.

Nope, She just said that she will just move the pedals out by changing the spinle length until my hip, knee and foot are all in line as this is the only thing that would actually make a noticable difference.

I'm not confident in this at all so don't think i'll be using her for a fitting.

My right foot turns inwards noticably, always has done, and my right cleat is currently set up to mirror this. I'm not sure if this is the correct thing to do, probably not but it feels more comfortable than having the cleet straight. However I am getting knee pain in my right knee so somethign is wrong somewhere.

That sounds utterly ridiculous. Avoid.

No reason why they can't move the cleat on other pedals.

"she will just move the pedals out by changing the spinle length until my hip, knee and foot are all in line as this is the only thing that would actually make a noticeable difference" is the bit that sounds completely wrong to me. I've seen some pretty large amounts of fail with people setting up their own cleats large distances off where they should be so how she can say it's just spindle length without taking into account anything else is totally rubbish.

After spending months with a vague feeling of having my saddle too low, despite being very comfortable, I raised it a few mm. As I then felt too far forward on the nose I adjusted it back slightly. Still doesn't feel quite right...feels a bit chafe-y which wasn't previously an issue even on long distances.

What now? Drop the nose a bit? Put it back where it was?

"she will just move the pedals out by changing the spinle length until my hip, knee and foot are all in line as this is the only thing that would actually make a noticeable difference" is the bit that sounds completely wrong to me. I've seen some pretty large amounts of fail with people setting up their own cleats large distances off where they should be so how she can say it's just spindle length without taking into account anything else is totally rubbish.

Thats what I thought, knowing that I've had my cleats very wrong in the past. Just wanted to check that speedplay pedals didn't have any magical powers or something that I didn't know about.

After spending months with a vague feeling of having my saddle too low, despite being very comfortable, I raised it a few mm. As I then felt too far forward on the nose I adjusted it back slightly. Still doesn't feel quite right...feels a bit chafe-y which wasn't previously an issue even on long distances.

What now? Drop the nose a bit? Put it back where it was?

put saddle back, move cleats beckwards?