ASL vehicle offender

I definitely don't think 'anticipating' the lights is that common, most drivers and motorcyclists don't RLJ, to be fair, or creep over the pedestrian crossing, the huge majority at least. Creeping over the ASL is a different matter though.

I beg to differ - I see it several times a day, and given how dangerous it is, that's far too common for me. (But I think I need to take Oliver's advice, and chill out...)

ASLs are stupid and useless. The vast majority of cars stop at the stop line. Unfortunately they choose the nearest stop line to the junction, which is at the front of the ASL.

This is what these junctions should be like, and I reckon it would solve the problem at a stroke, at no disadvantage to cyclists. Don't fight people's psychology, work with it.

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(But I think I need to take Oliver's advice, and chill out...)

Doing that make riding feel more enjoyable, even if there are people whom you want to dropkick their penises.

This is what these junctions should be like, and I reckon it would solve the problem at a stroke, at no disadvantage to cyclists. Don't fight people's psychology, work with it.

top mark.

problem is, police officier can stop you for going over the line on purpose which according to them count as RLJing (happen to a couple forumenager here).

I have taken to now cycling around any car stopped in the area, pulling up in front of them and deliberately putting a foot down, then taking my time setting off, getting foot in and crawl away from the line - couple of beeps so far, which result in an even more leisurely pace - 1 - nil ! wankers - that's not a taxi painted in white on the red there you know!

ASLs are stupid and useless. The vast majority of cars stop at the stop line. Unfortunately they choose the nearest stop line to the junction, which is at the front of the ASL.

This is what these junctions should be like, and I reckon it would solve the problem at a stroke, at no disadvantage to cyclists. Don't fight people's psychology, work with it.

It is of course not lawfully possible to implement the suggestion on the right, as it would remove entirely the requirement for cyclists to stop--there is no stop line for them.

And the red strip on the nearside would still encourage poor positioning by cyclists.

ASLs were introduced precisely in response to the phenomenon of cyclists inching ahead of the stop line--which is an offence. The idea was to make it lawful for them to stop ahead of the queues of motor traffic. There are various reasons why that idea doesn't work in practice. To me, the most important one is the interesting question whether it is even possible to have two STOP! lines in such close proximity to one another, or whether the concept of a stop line itself doesn't make that impossible.

I beg to differ - I see it several times a day, and given how dangerous it is, that's far too common for me. (But I think I need to take Oliver's advice, and chill out...)

I should perhaps clarify that I'm anything but relaxed on the general need for better enforcement. It's just that I see ASLs as a bit of a distraction. There are much more important problems to be addressed.

top mark.

problem is, police officier can stop you for going over the line on purpose which according to them count as RLJing (happen to a couple forumenager here).

In the illustration that Niall has done, there is no requirement for cyclists to stop. Traffic signals govern the stop line, and there is no stop line for cyclists. They could just sail through the junction as they please, as long as they go past the stop line in the red strip on the nearside.

How do you hog the left hand side of an ASL?
Presuming it's a red light and you've stopped. Job done.
People behind can wait.. unless you're one of those 'nodder undertakers' we hear so much about?

When there's a left filter lane and a straight ahead lane - often find that cyclists going straight ahead hang out in the left lane instead of in the right lane.

It's the same kind of annoying as when people get into the ASL and stop dead on the left hand side rather than spreading across to fill it.

I'd agree with that, but I think you'd need some kind of fainter line to show the cyclists where to stop.

ASLs are stupid and useless. The vast majority of cars stop at the stop line. Unfortunately they choose the nearest stop line to the junction, which is at the front of the ASL.

This is what these junctions should be like, and I reckon it would solve the problem at a stroke, at no disadvantage to cyclists. Don't fight people's psychology, work with it.

Fair enough - just saying in my experience. I think you ride more than me.

I beg to differ - I see it several times a day, and given how dangerous it is, that's far too common for me. (But I think I need to take Oliver's advice, and chill out...)

I always do this, although minus the foot down normally.

I have taken to now cycling around any car stopped in the area, pulling up in front of them and deliberately putting a foot down, then taking my time setting off, getting foot in and crawl away from the line - couple of beeps so far, which result in an even more leisurely pace - 1 - nil ! wankers - that's not a taxi painted in white on the red there you know!

Isn't that what we do half the time anyway? ;)

IThey could just sail through the junction as they please,

Does anyone else notice new bad habits suddenly taking hold? There was a sudden huge rush of motorcyclists cutting me up in bike lanes and crowding me out of the ASL as soon as they were allowed in the bus lanes - and just in the past week I've noticed drivers doing this annoying thing of stopping at the first line, but then slowly and deliberately rolling up past the ASL, and often right over the pedestrian crossing, whilst waiting for the lights to change. Some of them even end up 'anticipating' the lights by a couple of seconds, and most of them seem to be what I'd consider higher-risk vehicles - i.e. HGVs, 4x4s, wankers in sports cars.

Or is it just me? (I spend far too much of my life getting annoyed by things like this. (But then, the annoyance was somewhat exacerbated by seeing a cyclist knocked down by an RLJing lorry last week.)

Yes. Definitely not just you - its been driving me nuts all week and I've never really noticed it before. Enough to believe in collective consciousness (or collective idiocy) or something.

It could of course be that once you decide something is really annoying, every instance of it sticks in the memory.

I'm now making an effort not to get too pissed off at asl encroachers before i turn into the cycling equivalent of those dotty old women who make rude remarks under their breath to everyone they pass on the street.

Po po did not have a clue full stop.

You could see his discomfort when I asked "are you aware of the law being a policeman and all?"

DJ chill out, next time get right in front of the car in the middle and when the lights turn amber adjust your hat then when the have been at green for a second or two pull away very carefully and slowly as that usually winds then right fcuking up especially Mr policeman.

Yes. Definitely not just you - its been driving me nuts all week and I've never really noticed it before. Enough to believe in collective consciousness (or collective idiocy) or something.

It could of course be that once you decide something is really annoying, every instance of it sticks in the memory.

I'm now making an effort not to get too pissed off at asl encroachers before i turn into the cycling equivalent of those dotty old women who make rude remarks under their breath to everyone they pass on the street.

I am that woman. And I sometimes talk to buses.

I only talk to buses when they talk to me.

Just the other week... crap camera phone but the large size has the Reg plate clear enough if anyone cares.

Those of us who went on the South Beer's on tour vol.2 will have seen the very same thing being done by a police car near the Imperial war museum I think..

It was quite funny. We were all giggling and they rolled their windows down (in the torrential rain) and someone asked if they had a really big umbrella

When there's a left filter lane and a straight ahead lane - often find that cyclists going straight ahead hang out in the left lane instead of in the right lane.

It's the same kind of annoying as when people get into the ASL and stop dead on the left hand side rather than spreading across to fill it.

I think most cyclists that hang out in the left side of the lane, even though they plan to go straight ahead is because they're a bit weary of the motorists. They feel more safe to hang out on the left so that the motorists can pass by with ease. Those people of course, are the slow commuters travelling at 5mph.

IMO

That photo could feasibly just be a still of a car driving over the ASL, so it wouldn't ever get you anywhere unless you had video.

but if the photos actually did anything, then a photo of the car & the red light would be best, because either way, they're in the ASL or running a red light...

Police in ASL enforcement shocker this morning!

There's two bike cops on opposite corners of Bayliss Road/Waterloo Road/The Cut just now, walking up to mopeds that stop in the ASL and forcing them to back up out of it. It was probably bull shit, but the cops were also pointing at a camera on the lights and implying that fines would be issued next time (sigh, if only). One of the cops looked like he was really loving it too, was all mirror aviators and getting right in moped drivers faces.

awesome.

Fill them out here including the registration number.

http://london.mybikelane.com/

There's two bike cops on opposite corners of Bayliss Road/Waterloo Road/The Cut just now, walking up to mopeds that stop in the ASL and forcing them to back up out of it. It was probably bull shit, but the cops were also pointing at a camera on the lights and implying that fines would be issued next time (sigh, if only). One of the cops looked like he was really loving it too, was all mirror aviators and getting right in moped drivers faces.

I would have love to have seen that!

Here's one of mine.

I would have love to have seen that!

It was quite fun to watch, the moped people were clearly expecting the cyclists to be bollocked for rlj'ing or whatever, so the look on their smug faces dropping when the cop storms over and stops 6 inches from their face was pretty cool. Won't make any difference to ASL abuse in the longrun, but ho hum small victories...

I cycle through that junction every morning but was on the bus today. Maybe they can have a go at the Taxis pulling out from the side without looking next?

ASL abusers - cricifictions too good for 'em