Which Groupset?

^^when is that going to hit retail though? I would have loved to get it for the Look but would rather be riding than waiting. Don't understand why they didn't do it earlier, especially after the LTE.

It's out now in the US so less than a month before it gets here I reckon.

Doing it to clear the decks before new product line; Campag did the same with the red 10 speed supposedly stiffer action pro issue shifters right before 11speed announced.

all the recent winners have been on SRAM because they are making a huge push for the road market so are sponsoring as many pro teams as possible. The manufacturer of the groupset is utterly irrelevant at that level.

It's a meaningless statistic - teams will ride whatever they get paid to ride

SRAM, and to an extent Shimano have been winning a lot recently. This because the Campag users are so happy, they're not in such a rush to finish the ride.

FACT.

all the recent winners have been on SRAM because they are making a huge push for the road market so are sponsoring as many pro teams as possible. The manufacturer of the groupset is utterly irrelevant at that level.

It's a meaningless statistic - teams will ride whatever they get paid to ride

Yes the answer is very short. To fill 4 pages we need ample amounts of BS.

The answer...

Anyway, all three companies make quality groupsets so try them all out and go for the one with the shifting levers that work best for you.

It's fun to back-and-forth about it but that is the reality. If you're paying £600+ for a group its going to be good - after that it's down to personal preference

SRAM Force groupset and it’s been a complete revelation. Really comfortable and chunky hoods on the shifters and incredibly accurate and intuitive shifting. I was really worried that the short/long throw shifting with the single lever might prove to be inaccurate/ messy, but it’s been completely the opposite, spot on accurate and totally intuitive. As you can see I’ve become a convert, b

exactley as i would put it...cant fault it in any way shape or form...ill never go back to Shimano (has SRAM on me MTB's for years...)....

SRAM unfortunately suffer from being new kids on the block....but for me the performance and ergonomics FAR outstrip anything from Campag or Shimano.....good enough for EPO cheat (allegedly) Contador as well!

...but groupset debates always end up in Shimano/Campag sectarian bollocks so im out of here! ;)

SRAM, and to an extent Shimano have been winning a lot recently. This because the Campag users are so thick, they've got lost on the way to the start of the ride.
FACT.

Bit harsh, but if you insist.

exactley as i would put it...cant fault it in any way shape or form...ill never go back to Shimano (has SRAM on me MTB's for years...)....
SRAM unfortunately suffer from being new kids on the block....but for me the performance and ergonomics FAR outstrip anything from Campag or Shimano.....good enough for EPO cheat (allegedly) Contador as well!
...but groupset debates always end up in Shimano/Campag sectarian bollocks so im out of here! ;)

Bye.

Shimano are the best.

back again...

BOLLOCKS

im on campagnolo, i like the 6000km for change the cahin vs 4000 for shimano, i like the look of the shifters but new shimano ultegra and dura ace are pretty too, also sram. i love the capacity off campag for jump 3 or 4 sprocket with just one movement. and love the sram weight.
the best of shimanoi and sram is how easy is find wheels, but if you run campag no one would ask for your wheels....thats good

If you're paying £600+ for a group its going to be good

Or pay £500 for Ultegra like I did

im on campagnolo, i like the 6000km for change the cahin vs 4000 for shimano, i like the look of the shifters but new shimano ultegra and dura ace are pretty too, also sram. i love the capacity off campag for jump 3 or 4 sprocket with just one movement. and love the sram weight.
the best of shimanoi and sram is how easy is find wheels, but if you run campag no one would ask for your wheels....thats good

With Record you can move all the way up the block in two movements, awesome

but if you run campag no one would ask for your wheels....thats good

lolz

i use SRAM red.

i can't offer dogmatic, hard-line opinions as to how great it is compared to other groups, because i've never used Campag, and only used the fishing tackle stuff on some shitty bikes a few years ago.

i can tell you that the doubletap technique takes a bit of practice, and i seem to have lost the knack again over the winter.

It's interesting that Leekygas have switched though. I thought they'd stay Campag forever.

there was piece in either Pro-cycling or cycle sport about Campags recent shitness, and they said that Leaky-gas switched because they want electronic, and will go back once campag pull their lazy, gold-encrusted I-talian fingers out of their pasta-impacted arses and develop a similar system to Di2

You mean like Movistar are racing with this season?

well, that's a beta, isn't it?

i'm only repeating what the development manager at Campag said in the press.

OK?

Liquigas-Cannondale are riding SRAM, who don't have an electronic groupset in beta or production.

Back when indexed shifting were just introduced, the winner of the TdF at the time were using friction shifting.

just echoing andyp's sentiment.

Echoing an others statement... a first time for everything.

Yes, I don't really examine dog cocks. It's neither my line of work, nor a hobby for me. I had a cat so I didn't even really get a chance to glance most of my life. Have I been missing something? Is there a large dog cock spotting contingent in London?

looks like lipstick

time for everything

for everything