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Yes!! Get in. Massive win after only 48 hours. Up yours to the FA.

what a finish
1-1 would have been a fair result
nice to see us grab a late winner though

we're pretty much on par with a team who spent £100mn more than us last summer,
didn't thrushy say you couldn't compete with a team who spends loads more than you, klopp is managing it ok

Hopefully Neverton will beat them today. Though I expect the upcoming game to be perhaps the most boring game of football that will ever be played. Two shite dull teams. Nil nil anyone?

And just think. You've got that £75m defender that can start playing for you now. You'll be winning the league again before you know it ;)

We weren't great today, didn't have the same squad as Liverpool to be able to chop and change players given we're already missing half of our first XI so looked a little tired. Just how the Christmas fixtures work though (although it always seems to be the teams with the big squads who complain about the extra fixtures).

A draw would have been a fair result but with a player like Mane there's always a chance they'll pull something out. Sloppy defending for the winner (although BBC suggesting he was offside).

A sign of where we are though, our starting XI today cost about the same as Mane.

I Love 2018.

UTV

The Transfer Window is open and it is set to be interesting, if press reports are to be believed.

Hazard is off the Real Madrid as is Courtois and Azpilicueta.

Azpilicueta is also off to Atletico for a massive £20 million which makes one wonder why Liverpool didn't buy four Azpilicuetas )with a discount for bulk).

Luiz and Christianson are off to Barcelona

Morata is homesick and unsettled.

Willian is off to China and Brazil.

As part of a more general clear out, the club will also be off loading Bakayokeo as well as loanees Zouma, Loftus-Cheek and Abraham.

At the same time, no Chelsea targets are willing to join the club.

And of course Conte his heading for the door either at his own or the club's volition.

Have to love journalism. It is wonderful that the same editorial standards apply to the front and back pages.

liverpools fab 4 needs to make way for a 5th band member by the name of adam, he looked class against burnley in his first start of the season too

firmino
salah coutihno mane
lallana

that front 5 would be amazing if klopp could ever fit them in a side, skill pace work ethic, it's got it all ( apart from a defensive tackle )

But aren't Salah, Coutinho and Mane off to Real, Barca, PSG? etc
We'll end up with a band as shite as Wings at this rate

Linda won't play will she?

Trevor Sinclair gives racist abuse to a cop and pisses himself in a cop car while twice the legal limit. Twice the legal limit is about 3 pints, right?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/02/ex-england-star-trevor-sinclair-admits-drink-driving-and-racial-abuse

sound like barca and real are gonna have some amazing teams next year

they're buying everyone

I'm confused about how Trevor Sinclair was racist in this instance.

From that article

When Sinclair was put in the back of the police van, he called the officer a “white …” followed by a swear word as the van doors slammed, the court was told.

There should be new rules to transfer market. Before any player leaves any club for any other club worldwide, RM and Barca should first be asked if they would like to purchase the player now or purchase a future option on the player to avoid all this confusion during every transfer window

Dictionary definition of Racism is:
Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

Nowhere in this situation is Trevor Sinclair superior or being antagonistic because he believes himself or "his" race superior to the "race" of the policeman who arrested him.

Tell it to the judge. If I was on the jury, I'd convict him for getting soupy on three pints.

I'm confused now. Are you saying if a black man calls a white man a 'White fucker' for example, then that is not racism?
Not that I want a big discussion about it tbh, just a bit confused

in this country and society, simply put, yes.

But that isn't the CPS definition of racism, which - as far as I understand - doesn't require any "belief of one's own race is superior" for an offence to be committed. Happy to be corrected.

Without wanting this thread to descend into a massive to and fro about what is and isn't racist again, I think that if you call someone a cunt/fucker/bastard/etc. then you are looking down on them as inferior to you, regardless of ethnicity. You are putting them down verbally.

If you combine that with his role as a patron for Kick It Out and it makes it all worse. He should be leading by example, and even if he's downed a couple of shandys beforehand, should be able to conduct himself in a better manner.

It is possible for black people to be racist to white people in the UK. When I was growing up I played basketball through school and (although my height, which is on average with the other Derby contingent on here, was always going to hold me back in the long run) I tried out for some UK teams with junior academies and was subjected to plenty of name calling and verbal abuse revolving around my skin colour and physical characteristics. Plus I wasn't as great as I thought I was. So yeah, it's possible to be racially abused, even by the dictionary definition, as a white person here in this country and society.

I didn't look up the CPS definition so you could be right.

I don't understand how they can charge him both with failing to produce a sample and urinating in a police car. Surely that is exactly what he was required to do - although his aim may have been a little off due to his intoxication.

also not wanting to drag this little part of the forum into racist definition waters but I can see where you're coming from and disagree with you.
Which is why in my answer to mike I did say simply put, you can't overturn centuries of slavery and discrimination because some black guys made off colour (no pun intended) remarks about your height and colour in relation to your sporting prowess, as outside of that sports arena, they were still going to be given short shrift and you weren't. If they were in control of all of your avenues of expression and chances to progress both socially and career wise and gave you shit for your height and your skin tone then you're into racist territory. In my opinion.