Car appreciation... the aesthetics, the engineering, etc

Also, cheaper one doesn't have heated seats

How does one judge whether a dealers price is fair, or whether a bargain could be had?

I'd be able to do so for a 996, but I don't know enough about the E61.

£4k is a lot for a sunroof and satnav...

+heated seats don't forget.

London's pending ULEZ not featuring in your thoughts?

Should it? I never drive into town during the week.

The heated seats are nice in my E61 525i (112k miles, £4.6k to buy + £2k service/brakes/suspension/tyres). £15k is pretty much BMW approved used though.

This is the first 535d M Sport Touring in the BMW Approved, Used search: https://usedcars.bmw.co.uk/vehicle/201709209466780?quoteref=70cdf0bc-dcef-40e8-bd36-c2376922551a

£24,500

ULEZ charge will be every day of the year,
will encompass the area contained by the North & South Circular roads by 2021,
and,
will (hopefully) inevitably expand to protect all of London's inhabitants.

https://tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media/press-releases/2017/april/gla---mayor-plans-to-introduce-ulez-in-april-2019

Just had a read, it's only £12.50, I suspect buying a brand new car to save a likely £25/month would not make economic sense.

dammit in car thread

... would not make economic sense.

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New Project Binky

https://youtu.be/hR1nU9IJsoM

Always forget diesels are inexplicably pricier. Are you set on a 535d to sit in the airport car park then?

I don't want anything slower than the Volvo, which the 535d kind of is - it's got much less headline power, but it has more torque which I suspect it'd deploy a lot earlier than the 850, so it's kind of not.

282 bhp for the 535d, if you get a later one, which is almost 100 bhp down on the (quite a lot lighter) Volvo. But, many more toys, automatic gearbox, etc etc.

Really feel like they've stepped things up for this video. Absolutely brilliant.

I love project binky, I just find it really tedious how they pretend that it's both of them doing it. Nick is the omnipotent automobile genius, let's not get it twisted....

Silver one looks to have had paint down the drivers side. Might just be the pic but the silver on both doors is different to the front wing.

Blue one definitely looks nicer with all the extra toys too.

Well, the blue one looks to be winning at the moment, the potential new owner of the 850R is thinking about things, and I fly to California on Monday for just under two weeks.

So - plenty of time for things to happen, new cars to appear, sales to fall through etc etc.

I do wonder about supping from the Devils pump, but there you go.

Don't know if I could ever go Diesel unless in a 4x4 but that's just uneducated bias! The only modern oil burner I've driven is a golf and a Volvo xc70. Creamy slurpy torque but very dull and if you get enthusiastic with the throttle then any efficiency goes out the door and they are not that fun to push.
Enjoy California, go drive some big v8s.

I probably won't buy another diesel again after owning a Skoda 1.6 TDI for 4 years. It's been cheap to tax (£20) but I think that's likely to change soon and the MPG has been good but never amazing (regularly 60+mpg). I always wished it had a 6sp box

A 4 pot 1.6 skoda is completely different from a 6 cylinder 3ltr diesel with an 8spd ZF box.

@Dammit I only have a 430d sports auto (260bhp) but you're welcome to give it a go. Same box, same engine minus the additional turbo etc.

I'm not saying it is, i have had much more exciting derv cars in the past too, I just can't really see the appeal of diesel any more, although I will need to drag a race car on a trailer quite soon which dictates that really

Tyres: do you run winter and summer tyres or the same all year round?
If the former, do you swap wheels or just tyres?
If the latter what’s a decent year round tyre?

Who needs power steering?

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Get a Camaro SS as a rental. Most of the hire firms seem to have them now. Hilarious vehicle - will probably curtail any twitches for Diesel.