Glossy photos of girls on bikes!

what a load of bollocks.

Actually it's more the lack of I think!

mooks. it wasn't directly aimed at you if it was i would have been more obvious about it.

Don't worry - didn't take it as such! I hope anything aimed directly at me would involve a picture of a chimpanzee?

^ beat me to it.

I thought it was about

&

Or combined

for example sending you anonymous abusive pm's/emails is plainly wrong and the work of cowards.
me compiling a list of what swedish cyclist to probe first offends your sensibilities but i find it funny. if you don't like use the ignore function or don't read it.

it's just a post on an internet forum about bikes and other nonsense, it doesn't affect how i treat members of the opposite sex in real life.

there is alot of talk about the degradation of this forum due to this particular thread...referring to any woman in that regard is nothing short of chauvinism, the fact you find that funny is quite disturbing, ....you treat woman in 1 regard here, clearly poorly, but in real life, it changes? .. weird...

I'll leave you all to it.

This is what goes through my mind...

"Pretty girl on bike, she looks nice, nice bike too ... back to coding .... ou I fancy a cup of Tea first".

If someone is uncomfortable with me thinking like that ... they can sod off. I haven't done anything wrong and I won't apologise for it.

again, read the original post, you are missing the point!

just for those who miss the point...it is NOT THE THREAD but the referral of woman as objects

the end.

mrsmith is very metrosexual, he lives with another man.

there is a whole industry built upon the objectification of women.
if it offends you that much have you thought of writing to your M.P.

there is alot of talk about the degradation of this forum due to this particular thread...referring to any woman in that regard is nothing short of chauvinism, the fact you find that funny is quite disturbing, ....you treat woman in 1 regard here, clearly poorly, but in real life, it changes? .. weird...

I'll leave you all to it.

you do realise that the chauvinism here are purely piss-taking and not to be taken seriously?

hence why the swedish women (and one suspected man).

you do realise that the chauvinism here are purely piss-taking and not to be taken seriously?

hence why the swedish women (and one suspected man).

Sorry.

there is a whole industry built upon the objectification of women.
if it offends you that much have you thought of writing to letters@dailymail.co.uk

fixed.

you do realise that the chauvinism here are purely piss-taking and not to be taken seriously?

It's true that I have to put up with far worse at work, but then I never thought I'd have to 'put up' with anything like that here.

It's true that I have to put up with far worse at work, but then I never thought I'd have to 'put up' with anything like that here.

Why not? There's a massive amount of peeps on here with very different world views and sensibilities, Jeez there's even people who start threads just dedicated to cars!

if anyone doesn't like it or is offended, just ignore thread......and you'll never see it again.

Where's BDW with his smoking chimp?

Can everyone arguing please just take a moment to look at the dog in a bag. Look how cozy and happy he looks. You should all now feel your anger reducing like a wave.

Oh, and Prav cheers me up as well.

I never thought I'd have to 'put up' with anything like that here.

Nobody has to 'put up' with anything on here...it's the internet.
You know you're not gonna approve of the thread content so why keep coming back?

Sigh, here we go again.

there is alot of talk about the degradation of this forum due to this particular thread

I don't believe this is true, this thread is not exactly something that the forum as a collective of people could be proud of, but it does appear to be reflective of a portion of the larger collective otherwise it wouldn't exist.

The wider view of how women are perceived on the forum really relates to cycling (male bias) and wider society. This thread does not, through it's existence, define the difference between elements of the forum being sexist and it not being sexist... deleting the thread is simply censorship, and would hide the issue and not deal with it. If this thread did not exist, would you really believe that there were no people on this forum with sexist views?

...referring to any woman in that regard is nothing short of chauvinism,

Another important set of points relate to whether things are that black and white, I don't personally believe so. I don't see anything as being one thing or the other and not any of the possible things in between. There exists an infinitesimal range of greys inbetween and to determine whether a post on an internet forum is indeed sexist or reflects a chauvinist view you will need to understand the person who posted, the intent of the post, the tone and context of the post.

Which relates to the next thing, we're on the internet. The majority of how people communicate is stripped away when we converse over a typed-word medium. We lose body language, tone of voice, tempo, the context of the poster as regards mood and circumstance, the company... we lose such a vast majority of how people communicate that we're left with barely a sliver upon which others are choosing to cast judgement. With barely 10% of how we communicate left... can you be so sure that your judgement of another is correct? I am never sure of anything on the internet, I tend to side towards believing I've read something wrong and that I should give benefit of doubt.

the fact you find that funny is quite disturbing, ....you treat woman in 1 regard here, clearly poorly, but in real life, it changes? .. weird...

You've judged, and the sentence is harsh. But really we don't know jack about the intent or purpose of posts. Not all posts are serious, most on this forum are purposefully joking, antagonistic, wind-up. It's no excuse if the post was made flippantly, but a post that takes the piss and makes jokes out of some religious entity isn't suddenly representative of fundamentalist views of the opposite extreme... this is what I mean by polarising... things are not black and white.

And ultimately I think all of this preaching is bollocks. I once learned a great thing from a youth leader who said that the moment in an argument when your voice is raised or you tell someone to fuck off... you've lost, they're no longer listening. And the second thing I learned from him, was that hoping to change someone's mind by arguing from your point of view will never work, you need to argue it from their point of view.

I don't think the problem can be dealt with by burying it, censoring it, shouting it down, going off on a rant, patronising people, or generally stooping to their level by displaying similarly closed views on things.

Do I have an answer? No. But I honestly don't think a single person's view is going to be changed by these little shit storms we have. There's probably a much better middle-ground way of going about it, but I'm probably way too fucking liberal.

Nobody has to 'put up' with anything on here...it's the internet.
You know you're not gonna approve of the thread content so why keep coming back?

Bingo! buy that man a pint.
no! wait they could be female?
babysham for the lady please barman.

Isn't the forum just like the pub but with a lot more people listening, and that can jump in, to your conversation? Just keep that in mind.

Isn't the forum just like the pub but with a lot more people listening, and that can jump in, to your conversation? Just keep that in mind.

That's basically how I view it.

It's technically similar to a bulletin board system run by a telecommunications company.

It's socially similar to a view large pub with people able to almost omnisciently participate in all of the drunken conversations.

I get to be both the sysadmin guy and the landlord. Generally all I want is the tech stuff to work, and the pub to have a nice murmur of good conversation and fun times.

Here you go Ved

I've got another cracker that I need to dig out…