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Ignoring this thread for a few days. It's worse than reddit...

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What was the test set for the jury by the judge? I am guessing that the officer reasonably believed his life, or his colleagues lives, were in danger.

How I've heard it explained (referring to the law, rather than the judge's direction) is that you are right, except for the word 'reasonably'. It sounds like the law has been framed to protect the police, rather than the public.

I am definitely saying the police were or not justified in their actions, again I don't know the full details.

However, from what I could see in the video, the car is smashing back and forth. It looks quite easy for an officer to get stuck between the Audi and a parked car. I don't think it takes much to seriously hurt someone between two tonnes of metal and another parked car. I mean, people have been killed by their own sodding cars that are rolling slowly.

I don't think it takes much to seriously hurt someone between two tonnes of metal and another parked car. I mean, people have been killed by their own sodding cars that are rolling slowly

Sounds to me like all pedestrians should be armed to defend themselves against motorists.

Most pedestrians aren't trying to get to a vehicle that is smashing back and forth trying to escape police. The police are trying to apprehend him.
It's like you forget how many pedestrians are killed by cars daily.

If we ultimately conclude that all vulnerable road users can pack heat, I expect something that embraces tradition, possibly a muzzle loader, from Rapha

The statement from Inquest is quite interesting. Two contrasting stats stand out.

Since 1990 there have been 1,906 deaths recorded by INQUEST in or following police custody or contact. In that time only one on duty police officer has been found guilty of manslaughter in 2021, and none for murder.

This indicates how vanishingly unlikely a succesful prosecution is, and must indicate system bias.

The second stat.

Since 1990, a total of 83 people, have been fatally shot by the police in England and Wales. Chris is one of four Black men shot by the Metropolitan police in this time, the others include Mark Duggan, Azelle Rodney and Jermaine Baker.

To me, that demonstrates that police shootings are thankfully extremely rare.

https://www.inquest.org.uk/chris-kaba-shooter-aquitted

EDIT - this is wrong The Tottenham chap, that caused the riots, was going to kill people. He was armed with a semi automatic.

Maybe we have been desensitized by us TV shows that gang people are not real people

No one is advocating that not anything close.

A police vehicle had closed up to the rear of the Audi before the shot was fired, meaning the car could no longer move.

Couldn't they have shot the tyres? Then he'd have been totally unable to use the car as a weapon.

Doesn't work car will still drive., just not easily.

Not an expert, but generally you don't want to be firing rounds willy nilly.

I'd be surprised if you could safely shoot out tyres like in the movies without unintended consequences like rounds bouncing around the place.

I'm always struck by those US shooting stories where someone gets hit somewhere random like the leg, then the bullet deflects up into their internal organs or spine.

Not an expert, but generally you don't want to be firing rounds willy nilly.

Yes, much better to aim for the head, eh?

Sorry, being flippant (as I was with my original comment), but surely demobilising the car would have removed the 'threat to life' that is seemingly the main thrust of the defence.

They actively put themselves there. In the video the guy that shoots him literally runs in front of the car. Which I'll add has stopped moving by that points because it's stuck

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Can you get it in carbon? How much does it weigh? Should I carry if doing a zone 2 effort?

So one of the people involved in the garage (auto corrupt of faridge)riots, a Peter lynch has died in prison suspected suicide.

Richard Tice, the fascist MP, called the guy a political prisoner. Stating Lynch said some very bad things, daft, but bad things but did not deserve to die.

Did Kaba deserve to die any less than a convicted racist white grandfather? Asking on behalf of the refaschist company members

I think it was Isabel Oakeshott, Tice’s partner, who described Richard Lynch as a political prisoner, Tice then amplified it further. Anyway, key difference in your comparison is that Richard Lynch was charged, plead guilty and was sentenced.

He was using the car as a weapon, so he was not unarmed.
Trying to run over armed police and expecting them not to react is ridiculous.

Lots of car chase videos on youtube with vehicles that have flat tires. Some go for miles.

Tice repeat the claim on twitter, with link to his wifes video.

True, did either deserve to die is the point I'm getting at.

Just slower and less control.

Reality is we can discuss this as much as we want, we weren't there and no idea what was going to be people's reactions in the moment.

A police vehicle had closed up to the rear of the Audi before the shot was fired, meaning the car could no longer move.

He was clearly trying to get away between the two cars in front. In a Q8, that would easily push them to the side. Very odd to suggest he was could no longer move ffs.

The car was tagged as being involved in a firearms incident. It was driven by a career criminal who then used a murder weapon (the car) in an aggressive way. Fuck around, find out.