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I agree with you, but the point I'm trying to make is some people's homes are being taken away even when the people being removed have rights.
These rioters in social housing have a security of tenure and low cost far beyond many others, so why does this privilege not require not being exceptionally antisocial.

Maybe this discussion is better face to face. Maybe I'm jaded.

These rioters in social housing have a security of tenure and low cost far beyond many others

That's a screw up in our rental legislation and market which isn't going to be fixed by dragging everyone else down.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/articles/cy84x7rrppno

Graham Thorpe took his own life family says.

V sad. He had been suffering from depression for a long time I think.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg5xx0gly8o

Woman and kidded stabbed in Leicester Square. Perp apprehended by a young man named Abdullah...

This is awful. :(

Presumably the U.K. will be issuing an international arrest warrant for Elon Musk based on the new legislation

Anecdotes aren’t data but I work with someone who it very much did happen to.

Desmond, 45, who performs as Darth Vader on the square "every day" said he saw two people detain the attacker.

And the cunt with a lightsaber did nothing to help...

Untold power requires untold restraint.

How about the anti social bit?

As awful as the situation is, "Attacker forcefully detained by Darth Vader" would have been a headline and a half.

To clarify my comment, rehabilitation services in prisons rarely happen. At a guess reduced funding, and also as prisons are so overcrowded. Too many people believe that prison is easy and there is rehabilitation.

The probation service was outsourced and got so bad that it was reverse outsourced. What a funny term.

Prison is locking someone up for 23 hours a day. Feeding then shite cheap food. So many see prison like the TV show porridge.

You do know that Darth Vader is the bad guy, right?

The implication is if you are rich and own your own house then you can be antisocial. Harsher penalties for poor people does not make me happy.

Pure class that was.

I find it difficult to rationalise giving a free house to a rioter/bigot/thief/insert crime of choice. Especially those with multiple previous convictions.
I’m paying a mortgage but if I got banged up for 2yrs I’d definitely be on the streets after release.

A safe place to sleep should absolutely be a human right, your own private home for nowt? Not sure.

The Netherlands houses repeat anti social behaviour social housing tenants in container homes. However they do get help with financial and alcohol issues and the housing isn't so remote they can't take a bus to town.

Not ideal of course, ideally people don't end in that state.

A mate of ours lives in social housing one guy is trying to steal his motorbike, another is causing lots of noise issues. Most people are fine just two out of 30 are causing hassle and they have a right to be housed and the social housing company can in theory kick them out but then who will have them?

Private rent nope, if you transfer them you move the issue. Of course there isn't much help for them, but our mate has to deal with the stress of it.

In private housing you just get kicked out by the landlord for that. Usually...

But I have to agree that the "I own my place so whatevs" or "private landlord kicked me out of greed" or issues of course won't get addressed by container housing, neither do all the new houses going up in the bad Belfast riot area suddenly become affordable.

The men being given prison sentences for rioting that were living in council houses are very likely to be living with their family, since single men are way down a very long list, so if you kick them out you also make a family homeless. The punishment is the prison sentence.

And if a mortgage person's family can't afford to pay the mortgage and become homeless, is that fair?

What if they are renting on the open market..housing benefit won't pay nor universal credit.

So if I got jailed for rioting the government should pay my mortgage so my family don’t go without?

You're right, when one member of a family goes to prison the rest of the family often suffers. Kids with a dad in prison tend to have worse outcomes than those without. We should try and support those families and not actively make it worse.

There should absolutely be a mechanism that means that your family isn't punished for something that they didn't actively participate in, yes?

Perhaps if the UK wasn't so fetishistic about Property ownership it might be easier to achieve but that's a whole other kettle of fish

Or peaceful protest ;)