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  • Just the BBC piling fuck up upon fuck up.

  • That explains Essex

  • I can't work out what you are struggling with in that article?

    Is it the prominence that they gave to the fact he was a convicted murderer in their corrected headline?

    Or that they didn't focus on his music record enough?

  • It's that they felt they needed to issue an apology for the original obituary.

  • Isn't it just that "Talented but flawed" downplays his negatives too much and puts too much focus on his positives?

    It's like the Yorkshire Ripper's death being announced as "Talented but flawed truck driver Peter Sutcliffe dies in prison".

  • The apology was for the headline, not the obituary.

    Whatever way you look at it, Spector was a flawed character with a history of abusing women who ended up murdering one, Lana Clarkson. Irrespective of what he did in pop music, he should be treated the same as Saville, Harris, Jackson and all those other arseholes who used their fame, power and influence to abuse.

  • I (39m) knew Phil Spector was a murderer, I couldn't have told you how else he was famous.

  • Same here. Most convicted murderers won't have their obituaries published by the BBC (unless their crimes were particularly high-profile) but nor are most convicted murderers among the most famous and successful music producers of all time. Seems perfectly fine to me to suggest that someone is simultaneously talented and capable of heinous crimes.

  • I think it's the particular phrasing of the headline that was a problem. "Flawed" isn't really strong enough. I'm flawed. I haven't shot anyone (yet). It somewhat underplays murder. The obituary does what @Jingle_Jangle said they should - highlights the things that made the person famous and/or notorious. If you didn't already know about his murder of Lana Clarkson you should after reading any obit - and I guess there are many who missed it at the time. The apology page itself is a bit weird I agree (photos etc).

  • Bit old but this works for me on so many levels.

    been into fish ever since I was little, started with a couple of sticklebacks....

    https://youtu.be/pCMEqqet9sA

  • “Mercenary” British silk who was due to work for the HK government in prosecuting some prominent pro-democracy figures has decided against it. To take up the case needed exemptions from the ban on arrivals from the UK and three week quarantine rules.
    https://app.hongkongfp.com/2021/01/20/british-barrister-acting-for-hong-kong-govt-to-withdraw-from-case-against-high-profile-democrats/
    Part of me thinks a silk should take whatever is put in front of them but they shouldn’t parachute in to act for an authoritarian government if they wouldn’t be permitted to do so for the defence had they asked first.

  • Floods.

    This is just outside my house and will continue to rise until 11pm apparently.


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  • Which river are you near?

  • Outside and down a slope a bit or just outside your house?

  • Chorlton Water Park and environs?

  • Mersey, S.Mcr

  • It's currently about 1.5m from the top of 2 bank levels. The lower bank is under about 1m of water right now. I think it'd be really bad to get us, some folks upstream are on an evacuation warning though..

  • Does the Mersey get tide-locked in your patch?

  • Similar view, Xmas morning.


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  • tide-locked

    Had to Google that, not likely as we're a long way upstream .

  • Was gonna text and make sure all was good! It's nuts at the moment. Road closures popping up round our end. Even the brook looks like it's testing the banks a bit.

  • Cheers, a few folks checking in with us, very kind.

    Here's latest, showing bank height to top still. It hasn't risen much in last hour.

    I'm off for a run now!


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  • Their is a house right at the end of the mersey weir in warrington.

    https://goo.gl/maps/FZdeibhUpmvWy2CH6

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