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All the real Nazis are in the Boys' Brigade, tho.

You just got to look at the uniform

i was a cub scout for 4 years. one year when we were camping near a lake, i was asked to find "a long weight". Eager to please, i spent the next 2 days trying to track it down, thinking, as you would as a thick as pigshit 10 year old, that it was something to do with canoes and boats and shit.

when some kind christian soul told me i'd been taken for a cunt and the entire troop was in on it, i summarily picked up a nearby machete and gutted every single last fucking one of them and bathed in their delicious ichor*.

*called my mum in tears and demanded she fetch me immediately because the other boys were being mean.

cfsb.

plot twist: our scout master was had up on kiddy fiddling charges long after i'd packed it in.

plot twist: our scout master was had up on kiddy fiddling charges long after i'd packed it in.

I thought this was what scouts was all about, not racism.
Would they... would they still fiddle the black and brown kids?

sarf efrica mate. not on the menu.

Matt Lucas was at his funniest in a romper suit reading out scores...

A bit of a CSB.

Was FOH engineer for a Lucas university union stand up show while he was just known for romper suit drumming as George Dawes.

Didn't go down well with the punters so he just sat down on stage and opened 'any questions'

I may still have the DAT somewhere but fat chance of finding a player nowadays.

That's what he was most widely known for, but before that he was known on the London comedy circuit for his character act "Sir Bernard Chumley". Known for not being very funny.

Wilberforce isn't all that great either.

Pushed hard for a lot more Christianity in India and criticised the East India Company for their lack of "religious improvement" for the Indian people.

Our school has a House named after Wilberforce and we're currently in talks to change it to someone a bit less white saviour-y.

Time to dig it out...

what about those tv channels that endlessly repeat documentaries about hitler and that whole era

are they history / education programmes, programmes glorifying that regime for those right wing cunts to fap over or just channels under the murdoch broadcasting organisation so standard fayre for them lining up with the bosses politics allegedly .

personally i'd get rid of any programme like that for good, we all know what they did, it must be offensive for some people to have those programmes continually on their tv's

or am i way off target ?

Given there are still those who deny the Holocaust, I’d say you are way off.

Do you watch any of them? Its not like they are making Hitler out to be a good guy!

The World At War is regarded by some as the finest ever piece of British documentary making. Its brilliant. Narrated by Laurence Olivier. As a side note, I'm stunned to see that it cost over £11m to make in today's money. That's mental!

Do those programs mention the firebombing of Dresden and all the mainland EU/commonwealth soldiers fighting with the UK forces routinely?

As I really don't get all this "WE WON THE WAAAAAAAAHR" stuff, maybe it has nothing to do with those programs though.

Do those programs mention the firebombing of Dresden

If you watch a program on the air war over Europe it's likely this will be highlighted. Unless it's a US focussed program in which case it will not. It is in the World at War.

and all the mainland EU/commonwealth soldiers fighting with the UK forces routinely?

This too.

There are some cheapy low budget stuff that just focus on Nazi characters, but I'm a bit 'so what?' about that. They are not painted as anything but monsters. If it's taken off the TV, it will just go on YouTube (it already is). And you can buy books on all of them. The Speer one is worth reading.

The World at War mentions all offensives and refers to the scale of impact but it doesn't go into fine detail about human impact of anything other than the holocaust.

There is no cheering victory. The series as a whole is bleak and harrowing as fuck.

Do those programs mention the firebombing of Dresden

Right at the start of episode 21 https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3p7bg9

It's not as damming as it might be, I'm not sure if there is more later in the episode. It's been a longtime since I watched it, maybe I will show it my daughter's soon.

As a side note, I'm stunned to see that it cost over £11m to make in today's money. That's mental!

Is it? I'm a long way from being an expert on TV production costs but there are 26 episodes bringing it in at a cost of ~ £420,000 per episode. Once you pay the narrator (who couldn't have been cheap), researchers to go through the hours of historical footage, crews for all of the interviews, historians to oversee the project and editors to pull everything together it strikes me as pretty good value.

Add to that the fact that it is still being shown and therefore licensed world wide almost 50 years later if imagine that there has been a pretty good ROI.

I don't know what sort of documentaries are shown there, but when I was growing up in West Germany, there was a very strong emphasis on producing documentaries to educate people about 20th century history, in particular the Nazis and the Second World War, of course, but also the First World War and other assorted topics. As a result, the population in West Germany is now reasonably well-educated about all of this. The same thing wasn't done in East Germany under their régime, so that there are still perceptible differences, although since reunification more will have been done. Good historical programming is immensely important and valuable. I fully expect that there will also be historically inaccurate or deliberately misleading programmes, and I could well imagine a TV channel showing only ones like that, but I hope not.

Well, it was the most expensive factual TV programme of all time when it was made.

Just goes to show how seriously ITV (I think) took the task of documenting the war.

we all know what they did

Just spotted you saying this. I'm not so sure this is the case.

I mean, when I played a recent PS4 game set in WW2 it spent the first ten minutes explaining to me how there was this big war between Germany and the Allies in the 1940s where a bunch of people died. I'm really not sure that many kids know anything about WW1 or WW2.

it was the most expensive factual TV programme of all time when it was made.

I didn't know that. Makes sense when you consider that it probably is the most comprehensive programme on a very large subject.

Dresden

It's always worth a reminder that almost all large German cities (with exceptions like Wiesbaden, because post-war the Americans wanted to erect their headquarters there) were almost completely destroyed. Most smaller towns were spared, and Dresden wasn't the only city to suffer a horrible fate. Years ago in the Guardian there was an extract from or a review of a book by WG Sebald which touched on the bombing of Hamburg, which is one of the most horrific things I've ever read and have no wish to read again. Search for it at your own risk.

I'm really not sure that many kids know anything about WW1 or WW2

It's on the KS3 (school year 7-9) history syllabus which should be fairly universal.

I was sitting in a bar reading some war related articles in Dortmund early last year and was stunned to read that only 3% of the town center was left standing. Utterly horrific. All the more difficult to read while sitting on the spot.