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Isn't the anti-malarial that Trump mentioned also associated with some fairly nasty side effects in some cases
Yes - it’s stuff that you really don’t want it in you unless absolutely necessary. Like a large number of authorised drugs, you can overdose on the medicinal formulation and die, should you have access to sufficient quantities.
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Sub-heading:
Wife survives after couple in their 60s ingested chloroquine phosphate, which Trump falsely claimed was approved to treat coronavirus
Main article:
A Phoenix-area man has died and his wife was in critical condition after the couple took chloroquine phosphate, an additive used to clean fish tanks that is also found in an anti-malaria medication touted by Donald Trump as a treatment for Covid-19.
The heading makes it sound like the guy took what Trump had spoken about as a potential cure. When in fact he took a fish cleaning additive which is similar chemically to an ingredient used in medication used for treating malaria (which Trump is touting as a cure for Covid-19, we can all agree that this wrong).
This is a bit different from Trump recommending someone take an untested treatment, and dying as a result (having not been deemed fit for human consumption). Instead, this is someone ingesting something not fit for human consumption which has some similar chemicals as a treatment that is fine for human consumption, but untested as a cure to an ailment.
Apologies if that's a bit rambly, but it's not a straightforward situation and neither is my thought process.
In terms of how I think it should be reported, "Trump recommends anti-malaria treatment for Covid-19, man dies after ingesting fish tank cleaning chemical mistaking it for said treatment due to it containing a common ingredient". Not as catchy mind you.
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I've looked at the background to the Guardian article on the death from ingesting the noxious substance, and I don't think the article twists the facts as Howard said. The only fault I can find with it is that it doesn't quote Trump verbatim and explain exactly what he said. However, it is clear that what Trump said was grossly irresponsible and deeply ignorant and that someone, somewhere would follow it up. He may think of himself as a master communicator, but he's just an over-promoted ignorant oaf with a Twitter account at the end of the day. RIP unnamed man.
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Someone my wife knows at work was on a flight from Senegal to London and a passenger for up and tried to open the plane door in a panic...was apparently due to side effects of chloroquine.
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Sadly it's not just that guy. His comments resulted in a small spate of chloroquine overdoses.
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My point was that he's advocating the use of a treatment that hasn't been proven safe by the relevant organisations in the US.
Personally I think that's him stepping out of line, which is wrong (and not surprising). I have absolutely no knowledge of the effectiveness of the treatment he's suggesting, just that:
Even after the FDA chief clarified that the drug still needs to be tested for that use, Trump overstated the drug’s potential upside in containing the virus.
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I didn't say they twisted the facts
Oops, sorry, I didn't refresh the thread. Sorry also for misunderatdning you. I didn't get this impression from the article:
tl;dr anyone who skims the headline and swallows what they read hook line and sinker will leave the article believing that these guys died not because they went out bought poison and drank it, but because Trump mistakenly named or believed this poison is a cure ( because he's an idiot! Of course!) and they were innocents simply following Trump's erroneous advice.
The opening paragraph is clear, I think:
A Phoenix-area man has died and his wife was in critical condition after the couple took chloroquine phosphate, an additive used to clean fish tanks that is also found in an anti-malaria medication touted by Donald Trump as a treatment for Covid-19.
I can totally see how a casual reader could miss that nuance, but I don't think it justifies the claim that the reporting is twisted.
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Ah, I was wondering about that. Yes, grossly irresponsible.
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It’s approved for several indications and it’s effects are well known and well understood. As per my previous post, as I understand it, it can be used as a ‘treatment’ for C19 now in America if the circumstances permit it on a case by case basis. As can many drugs that have approval for condition X they can in some circumstances by used for condition Y for which they are not approved at the discretion of medical practitioners.
@Lebowski I’m suggesting that Trump lying - as you seemed certain he was - about this is a stretch - it’s probably him misunderstanding the complexities of the approval process. As per my previous post, he is probably mistaken.
I don’t know the efficacy on C19, it’s being assessed.
Would it be better if he kept his mouth shut? As always.
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Chloroquine phosphate in aquarium cleaner with various other ingredients does not equal the chloroquine formula in antimalarials.
Come on. If people are so stupid to conflate these then that's Darwinism-there's been public info about chloroquine treatment for Covid well before Trump crack handedly "announced" it.
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Shirley the real story is that you're all arguing about the Graun when the byline reads that it's a wire lift from AP. Every regional US news outlet carrying the same copy with a different headline.
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Would it be better if he kept his mouth shut? As always.
Agreed, which is what I was trying to get across with
which Trump is touting as a cure for Covid-19, we can all agree that this wrong
I can see the room for interpretation in that though, so apologies for the lack of clarity there.
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Nope. No it's not.
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Funnily enough there are a lot of sub average intelligence people in the world and they are all lives worth protecting. Hence why his comments were so insanely irresponsible.
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People also have an inherent ability to protect and inform themselves-especially when it's coming from Trump.
As with coops assuming Lariam contains chloroquine, and could have googled that for himself, so could the gent who died taken a few seconds to Google and check if his fish tank cleaner had any resemblance to the medicine in question, and, if it was toxic.
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Chloroquine phosphate in aquarium cleaner with various other ingredients does not equal the chloroquine formula in antimalarials.
The Chloroquine in aquarium cleaner and the Chloroquine in anti malarial are one and the same. You are obviously correct about the addition of copper sulphate and other antimicrobials in aquarium cleaner though.
How about the people in Africa who overdosed on medical grade Chloroquine based on Trumps comments?
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Isn't the anti-malarial that Trump mentioned also associated with some fairly nasty side effects in some cases. I seem to have read something about potential blindness, heart failure or coma as being an issue if wrongly used.
Googled it for myself... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/25/australian-doctors-warned-off-after-prescribing-potentially-deadly-covid-19-trial-drug-to-themselves