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Can you be an MP if you won’t vote for your own party? Or will he have been taken out of context!

Works ok for frank field

Backbencher blowing off steam.
Might be a covert signal of support to a leadership contender.

My thought is that for an Mp to publicaly advocate not voting for the party they represent and not be thrown out shows the perilous weakness that has enveloped the party.
I see know way that he can even be rebuked for his comments.

Maybe he likes it though.

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2018/10/china-launch-artificial-moon-illuminate-city-streets-181019071407280.html

We've seen this before

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonlight_tower

Love this...

So Nick Clegg joins Facebook. Way to finish off whatever is left of his reputation.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-45913587

Clegg has taken on the job of VP of global affairs and communications at Facebook.

Moving to CA permanently next year.

[EDIT] Ha. Beaten to it by itsbruce.

Hey, has anyone heard yet that Nick Clegg has joined Facebook?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-45­913587

hats off to facebook for going that extra mile to ensure privileged rich white guys get the breaks they so richly deserve.

It's a shame that there's no negg button on F******* or everybody could click negg to show him what they think.

Actually, I think the headline 'Facebook hires Nick Clegg' is inaccurate. It should of course be 'Nick Clegg hires Facebook'.

Maybe they hired him to say sorry for Cambridge Analytica

(insert Sorry song here)

Clegg says he is joining Facebook to help ensure 'technology is a force for good'

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2018/oct/19/brexit-may-summit-tory-brexiters-would-vote-down-extra-payments-to-eu-for-longer-transition-says-rees-mogg-politics-live?page=with:block-5bc9d4cde4b0dfdbdb810255#block-5bc9d4cde4b0dfdbdb810255

Given his exemplary record in ensuring that the Tories don't get up to too much evil, what could possibly go wrong?

Given his exemplary record in ensuring that the Tories don't get up to too much evil, what could possibly go wrong?

I know he's an easy target but I think many people underestimate just how much the Lib Dems prevented that Tory Government getting through during that coalition. (Regardless of that it was effectively a pyrrhic victory for the Lib Dems.)

I certainly don't think it was possible for the Lib Dems to stop all the Tory evil, especially as the Tories ended up pushing through pretty much what they wanted after the 2015 GE. If you go looking for perfection (especially in politics) you're going to easily find failure.

This.
Clegg, Alexander et al took one for the team.

what exactly did clegg and the lib dems stop the tories from doing? we still got bedroom tax, ian duncan smith, student fees, "go home" vans, fucking brexit.

the lib dems didn't temper the tories, they enabled them. shopped his own principles for a ministerial car and whiff of power. fuck that guy.

I don't disagree but surely some flack has to be taken for enabling a Tory government to get into power in the first place. Surely the bigger hit they could have taken for 'the team' would have been not to jump at the first chance to be part of a majority government.

They could have formed a minority government with Labour or even a majority with help of the SNP etc. That decision ultimately led to the shit show we're in now...

I'm not saying the world we would be a totally awesome place now had we had a LabLib coalition instead but it's very unlikely brexit would have happened.

Politics isn't so black and white. Again, just because they didn't stop all the evil doesn't mean they didn't stop some of it. It's the Perfect Solution fallacy.

A quick google gives: https://www.markpack.org.uk/129190/what-the-lib-dems-have-stopped-the-tories-doing/

If the Lib Dems had gone into coalition with Labour we'd probably be having a different discussion about how the Lib Dems 'enabled' Labour to do a whole load of different things that people disagree with (probably not as evil as the Tories but that's besides the point, the Tories got in in 2015 and went to town anyway).

Or if no coalition had been formed at all and we'd had a series of GEs because of hung parliaments until, say, the Tories got an overall majority (or got into bed with the DUP even earlier) then some might be complaining about why the Lib Dems didn't take the first chance to go into coalition with them and stem the tide from within.

But such what-iffery is pretty much pointless.

Politics isn't so black and white

So you're saying that there could be a side to the Lib Dems forming the coalition that was an utter disaster for the country?

But such what-iffery is pretty much pointless.

Aren't you using a tiny bit of what-iffery to argue what the Tories would and wouldn't have gotten away with had the Lib Dems not joined the coalition?

Sorry if i missed something.

It was a reply to greenhell's points.

Firstly, that in spite of the Lib Dems tempering the Tories we still got evil shit X, Y, Z.

Sure, but that's the perfect solution fallacy. Just because the Tories weren't stopped from doing everything evil doesn't mean it was a failure. That's what I meant by "it's not black and white". It's not either a complete success or a complete failure. The Lib Dems stopped the Tories doing a load of evil stuff, but not everything evil.

Aren't you using a tiny bit of what-iffery to argue what the Tories would and wouldn't have gotten away with had the Lib Dems not joined the coalition?

I'm saying it to highlight that the only thing we know is what happened. Everything else is guess work.

The argument from some here seems to be that if the Lib Dems had not gone into coalition with the Tories then the outcome (whatever that would have been) would have magically been better because hindsight. But no-one knows that because it never played out for anyone to see. There are some scenarios where the outcome is better, and some that are worse.

All we know is that they did go into power and they did stop the Tories from pushing through a whole load of evil shit that the Tories wanted to (and eventually pushed through most of it when they next got into power).

that list wants fact checking as well.

Nation-wide immigration checks on all new tenants and lodgers

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/right-to-rent-checks-introduced-for-landlords-in-england

Again, I don't disagree with any of the above because we'll never know what we don't know.

Just as we can't know what would have happened if they buddied up to Labour, we can't also know how much, if at all, they dampened the effect of the Tories worst tendencies as we don't have a reality where they weren't involved.

My dislike for him and the party at the time is purely for being involved with what did happen which was a total clusterfuck.