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Right then can we move on from that pro life bollox now.

I have a huge amount of sympathy for his parents, no-one should have to see their child die.

I have nothing but contempt for those who sought to exploit their situation to pursue their own agenda.

All of this.

They probably needed privacy and support at a hugely traumatic time, but instead it's been turned into an unnecessary conflict.

Well they could of done it with dignity but decided to shout it from the rooftops like ill educated chavs . Today a child will die and life support turned off . Tomorrow the same . What about those families?

Not really sure you're getting the tone just right at the moment.

I think the case for Rudd's resignation is pretty solid by now.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/28/labour-weaponsing-windrush-to-distract-from-antisemitism-row

It's a totally bizarre political climate at the moment in which someone like that is seemingly not seen as enough of a political liability to go. As mespilus said, she's probably not going before the local elections, but I do wonder if she will go afterwards, with her authority (if she ever had any) so diminished.

I'm not sure Gove is helping by claiming that she 'didn't see the memo'--I thought civil servants have said that she was present at regular meetings on these issues, etc.

Gove is a complete fuckwit. And a hypocritical fuckwit at that.

could of done ... like ill educated chavs

Hmmm

In spades.

"Best interests" cases are always going to be emotive, but it's particularly galling to have them coopted by tangential interest groups.

tangential interest groups

I'm going to apply that term to all god botherers from now on.

Applied with a swinging bat, I hope.

Hearing Gove accusing Labour of weaponising Windrush to distract from anitsemitism is just bizarre, it’s that exactly what the torys have done with anitsemitism!

Rudd’s in an odd position, it don’t think she’s as out and out evil as most of the Tory party. The torys can’t sacker her because of the delicate balance of leave / remain within the cabinet and also she generally just been sold a hospital pass by TM and she’s the fire brake, but she’s really not doing a very good job now and she seams to have been asleep at the wheel for sometime.

I found this interesting on the Alfie Evans situation;

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/28/call-from-god-american-pro-lifers-role-in-alfie-evans-battle?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

If I understand it correctly they were picking a fight they knew they would loose. My guess is they are more interested in making use of the anger they stoked up than they are in making permanent changes to the health care system.

Always thought something was wrong with this case and i said the real story is whats behind the story so thanks for that.

I fucking laothe these self serving self righteous hypocritical cunts. I had friends who worked as counsellors in clinics in the US and can share some interesting tales. My contempt for them is boundless.

A response to "what about this Windrush thing then" on a different forum, which is a classic of the genre:

"In answer to the OP, in relation to the windrush and early immigration from the commonwealth, I have no problem with that.

However, I do worry, like Enoch Powell at the sheer numbers of immigrants into the country since and the effect it has had in turning our country into something else entirely.

I have always thought that immigration works and is acceptable among the host population if the numbers are controlled and we allow people to integrate properly into the country & culture and settle among our communities in numbers that do not alienate the locals etc. ( I am thinking of towns in east anglia which have suddenly become 50% east european for example....with the inevitable backlash) In rough terms, I would say that around 10 - 15% of the population works......

However, there is a tipping point above which, it produces negative reaction, is not good for country and heaps intolerable burdens on our already overstretched services and systems. And I happen to think that we are well past that point now. Perhaps he was right after all, we simply cannot keep our doors open indefinitely.......I also happen to think that too many actually encourages racism and xenophobia, as people become frightened and see their country and way of life changing.

Does this make me a nazi in anyones eyes? I do hope not...."

insert Stewart Lee's Paul Nuttall sketch here: "you get back in the sea, you finned c***!"

Oh ok then, I will...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KVO378tjsw

WTF? What Terrible Forum? Waste Those Forrins? White Terrorists Forever?

This is wrong, and misguided, but at least it's written in quite a polite and reasoned way.

That sentiment is actually milder than the "go home" and "hostile environment" that is (as of now) still official government policy.

If I may make some foot notes:

Towns dont become 50% eastern European if the English born have not moved out. Something is already wrong I'd say?

Bloody furruns like me are educated by our birth country and pay nhs cash as well. So I never got that bit, how do I cost more?

Re integration it's a bit hard when people are cuntish and don't accept you, I guess it works both ways.

Not saying it's not complex, Dutch arriving in droves may drive you insane with our bluntness and godless laws (yay!) so I see there's always opportunities for friction.

But integration with what? In a way host countries (so is the Netherlands) always say A and do B :)

So you're Dutch, for some reason I got the impression from earlier discussions that you were Irish. Must have not been paying attention.
Having just returned from a week in Amsterdam may I say your compatriots are a cheerful and welcoming bunch, despite the permanent moronic shitbag of tourists in the center of town who wander mindlessly across bike lanes and into the paths of trams trying to take selfies with the Nightwatch.

how do I cost more?

It's not necessarily about costing more comparatively to native, but that an additional person inevitably uses more public resources - there is then a counter that generally (net) they'll generate more, but it's still a cost.

The integration point always really bugs me tho. Firstly, I don't know where this rose tinted memory of commonwealth citizens being warmly welcomed has come from. Paki-bashing didn't sound all that cuddly to me. Second, it takes at least 2 generations on average for people to integrate. Until the relatively recent exodus of young French to the East End, they always went to West London to band together in their enclaves, home counties folk move to Putney, people from Norfolk stay put and interbreed- humans tend to move to places with people they can relate to... it's just what we do. Moreover, I've yet to meet a second generation Irish person who still doesn't self-identity as Irish. Why the fuck to people think that everyone else is suddenly going to "integrate" overnight.

Rudd is a remainer right?
I mean it's horrendous but the Brexit mob are the media kings aren't they?
#tinfoil