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'Suffer in a cage'

What...with Sky TV, phones, 3 meals a day, gym access and a bed every night. All paid for by me and you

The cunt deserved to die as quickly as possible

Trump will still let you in to the US at the moment if you put that on your Visa application.

"Coming to us now live, it's Daily Mail Comments Section Correspondent Pisti..."

c4news just broadcast pictures and footage of the suspect. who it turns out is currently in prison. top journalisming guys!

Back in the bad old days of IRA bombings we just got on with it and thought 'fuck'em'

Now we have to have a FB temporary avatar picture.

I hate to say it but I'm not sure what is worst.

Channel 4+1 was just now a blank screen.

Good old Daily Mail: -

Dramatic moment dying knifeman is stretchered away after being shot by police - as it's revealed his car was a £32,000 4x4 Hyundai registered to affluent Essex area

Chelmsford. Effluent?

Must be fake news,
how can any Hyundai cost £32k?
Hmm, sorry, forgot about pre-Brexit Sterling devaluation.

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See Breaking News Consumers Handbook on previous page.

Grim day.

Yeah but how much was his house worth?

Give them a chance to locate it, but £300k will be a decent ballpark figure.

Pentonville isn't high security

Paging @Ramsaye

Just got home. Been locked inside all day. First reports came through just as the Lords were preparing to sit, initially nobody knew much, just vague reports of gunfire. Very quickly we were given the order to lock the building down, and gradually everyone was moved to known safe areas whilst the whole building was searched.
I'm used to seeing guns, but the police response teams were absolutely brimming with kit. If you weren't where you were expected to be, you had multiple guns pointed at you and people screaming at you to get your hands up and identify yourself.
It took about 8 hours for us to be released. I know some of the armed officers on the various entrances, they haven't released his name yet, but there is a fair chance I'll know the bloke who died, or at least know his face from nodding hello.
We all knew it was bound to happen sooner or later, and the casualty list seems mercifully light compared to other incidents, but still, that guy ran towards a lunatic who had two knives, and he probably saved many people from death or serious injury.
The thin blue line earned their pay today.

Saddening news and sympathy to those injured and worse but "terror attack"???

One "not white guy" with a knife is hardly a terror attack. The lone "white guy" shouting political and far right slogans with a gun that shot an MP wasn't a "terror attack"* Why is this?... (See "not white" guy)

*He was. As pointed out below. My mistake. I'll wind my neck in eh.

'We all knew it was bound to happen sooner or later.'

'The thin blue line earned their pay today. '

Damn straight.

(Also glad you are safe.)

Fake views - https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/23/thomas-mair-trial-and-the-question-of-terrorism-jo-cox

It was.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/nov/23/thomas-mair-found-guilty-of-jo-cox-murder

Egg on my face. Point conceded. Thanks for putting me right.

A terrorist attack isn't defined by the number, competence, efficacy or colour of the perpetrators. It's defined by the intent of the attack.

If that intent was to disrupt or harm the government or the apparatus of the state then it can be deemed a terrorist attack.

If that intent was to diminish people's sense of safety within the borders of their own country against an outside threat then it can be deemed a terrorist attack.

If that intent is to stir up social and cultural divisions that compromise people's sense of safety from an threat from a "them" within the borders of their own country then it can be deemed a terrorist attack.

Today's attack at Westminster ticks all three of those boxes and, honestly, the death toll is practically incidental. Even if no one had died today, the media frenzy would still have stirred up a very similar reaction. Also, "one guy with a knife"? Surely on this forum the other weapon used should not be difficult to recognise.

And please don't buy into this rightwing tabloid shit-stirring language where the ist is dropped from terrorist attack. It just feeds into their bullshit moral outrage that they manufacture to sell papers and advertising space.

I understand.

How much of the 'intent' is known at this point.

How much of the intent to diminish safety was caused by the assailant and how much by the way it was reported.

How much of the intent to create division was caused by the assailant and how much by the way it was reported?

I'd say deliberately driving your car into a group of people before stabbing a policeman to death is clearly intended to diminish safety.

It took about 8 hours for us to be released. I know some of the armed officers on the various entrances, they haven't released his name yet, but there is a fair chance I'll know the bloke who died, or at least know his face from nodding hello.

We all knew it was bound to happen sooner or later, and the casualty list seems mercifully light compared to other incidents, but still, that guy ran towards a lunatic who had two knives, and he probably saved many people from death or serious injury.

He has been named as PC Keith Palmer.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/london-attack-first-picture-of-pc-keith-palmer-stabbed-to-death-in-parliament-terror-attack-a3496966.html