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I though(t) the three Rs were core.
Another Tory idea, heh... yeah they are/were. "Core subjects" after the wars basically meant "what's good for the country". I'd argue that nowadays you're better off trying to get the most out of each individual, I could be wrong.
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I thought one of the biggest problems of illiteracy, was parents with poor skills not providing the additional support their children needed.
It is - it's not additional support, for many it's any kind of support. Lack of family support/capital is a massive issue. From this perspective the caller's perspective was definitely a bit comfy middle class, but he did say to be fair that the system currently teaches these things - which it does. Listening to Gove you'd think teaching literacy and numeracy was a radical thing.
I'm amazed by the inability of this country to actually bring about actual change and improvement within the education system... the approach seems to be to find a new way of measuring education so the latest government can skew things in their own distinct way.
The problem is that politicians come and go. And they have a tendency to meddle while they are around. This is what Gove is doing.
I asked Sir Ken Robinson (mentioned by the caller, you should watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDZFcDGpL4U
It's amazing) how we are meant to achieve the paradigm shift in education he calls for when the political environment is so opposed to it, and as politicans will never be prepared to upset the public by committing to real radical change, and he said something along the lines of don't wait for the politicians, be the change you want to be. Which is great if you're a world class academic living in California...Our education system is based on an outdated industrialised notion that was great for production and manufacture but bad for experience/ideas (with the addition of the core sciences along the way). The Conservatives pushing for "core" subjects again and stricter/harsher conditions in schools is only going to make things worse. The new capital is ideas and we have a natural talent for it... it just needs a bit of nurturing.
This is exactly it. Our school system was designed and implemented in the industrial revolution to produce worker bees for a society which no longer exists. Don't believe me?
Why do schools finish at 3.30?
Because there was no electricity in the industrial revolution, so no light to learn by beyond that time in winter.Why are the summer holidays so long?
Because the children were needed to help with the harvest.Why do we educate our children in 'batches' based on not ability, but age, an arbitrary number?
Your guess is good as mine why we still do, but the industrial model of education seems to be the original reason.It's not marketing bollocks, it's the truth - the truth most people have no idea exists.
Sadly until they do there will never be the popular consensus required to achieve the political consensus to push such a massive change through.
Until then, like Gove, we'll probably be tinkering at the edges.
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^ That is what I should have said but didn't. Interesting, thanks.
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Alan Johnson has resigned as shadow chancellor!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog/2011/jan/20/alan-johnson-resigns-shadow-chancellor-live
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Ed "fucking Bastard" Balls to take over.
Watch the opinion polls tumble...
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Handy link for the news paper frontpages.
http://www.politicshome.com/uk/latest_frontpage.html
Latest news: it was a dutch man what done it. -
Michael Gove gets pwned - caller on Radio 5 puts him right on most of his education policy. Fantastic listening and couldn't happen to a nicer man, not only is he wrong wrong wrong but he's a patronising swivel eyed loony.
Coupled with what from a first read sounds like a raving loony defending Gove
Not really related to the story as such, but I just got the new Private Eye and they awarded Gove an OBN (Order of the Brown Nose):
I love Nick Clegg. Sympathy is not the emotion I feel, it's admiration. He is a brave, gutsy and principled politician as well as being a nice and decent person. He's a pleasure to spend time with. He's very thoughtful, decent and humane. All his personal dealings are very honourable.
From The Times, apparently.
This is right above a cartoon of a Lib Dem canvasser talking to someone on their doorstep saying "What happened to that pledge to vote Lib Dem?" :)
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Confuses me why businessmen, by dint of their skills with accumulation, should be sought after to sit on endless panels aimed at the social good as if we should be impressed by their mercurial wisdom.
The irony is that many of the most successful entrepreneurs in Britain did shockingly badly at school and left as soon as they could. Sir Norman Foster, Richard Branson, Anita Roddick, Alan Sugar, Pete Waterman for example. All dyslexic, all failed by the education system, all deciding they could do better on their own. Pete Waterman, famously, could barely read or write until he was 38.
Entrepreneurs are 5 times more likely to be dyslexic than the general populationMark Twain said it best: "I have never let my schooling interfere with my education".
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The irony is that many of the most successful entrepreneurs in Britain did shockingly badly at school and left as soon as they could. Sir Norman Foster, Richard Branson, Anita Roddick, Alan Sugar, Pete Waterman for example. All dyslexic, all failed by the education system, all deciding they could do better on their own. Pete Waterman, famously, could barely read or write until he was 38.
Entrepreneurs are 5 times more likely to be dyslexic than the general populationMark Twain said it best: "I have never let my schooling interfere with my education".
I'm sure foster spent a long time at manchester uni and yale and studied commercial law before that.
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Yes Brum signed Foster from Man Utd, no idea if he spent any time at Port Vale though....oh sorry wrong thread. :)
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Ed "fucking Bastard" Balls to take over.
Watch the opinion polls tumble...
Shockingly bad news. Balls would stab his wife in the back, and sell his Gran if it served his best interests. Can't stomach him - nor can the wider public. Ideal for the Tories, this. Bad for the rest of us.
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a tragic loss
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-12249452
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I'm trying to think of a good analogy but can't... I guess I'm saying that just because there are other subjects than "core" ones that can teach the right skills, doesn't mean that "core" ones don't. Therefore, they can still be relevant.
No. Definitely not.
Why should we be impressed or listen to successful businessmen that employ people and generate wealth? Because they employ people, so have a grasp of what sort of people they want to employ and can make money for them.... and ***consequently ***for the country.