Polo Rules

Hooking often ends up with mallets int he air. If this was called more regularly under the already in-place high sticking rule, then mallet on mallet action may remove itself from the game or diminish into very brief contact.

na make it the uk champs

Ahem...(quietly likes)

The move that Paulo almost created alone, the one where he took your on mallet to trap it between your on body/bike and his mallet was something who make me feel that we should ban this kind of stuff... But after using it too and get use to, I think that this can still be legit, because you can avoid it.
And if you took ice hockey, as a sport where you can play oppenent stick, they deal with it. You know that there is a huge aera where you won't drive the ball safetly so you have to be quicker and better at ball handling to drive it into safer spot.

For me hacking should only be legal when it's not to hard, and only from bottom to top.
Any angry back hack (like the one paulo make on hugo) should be a 30 sec penalty. Cause it's really more a sword vengeance move than anything.

I would like to try a game or two where you can't play opponent sticks... but i feel that the attack will have to much power.

Edit:
Looking for hockey stick defensive move, just found this:
http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/ovi-high-stick1.gif

No hacking at all only cleverly hooking, maybe only on ball carriers.

uk champs you should really play the NAH ruleset especially if there are qualifier spots on offer. Lets just try and learn the new ruleset and ref it?

I reckon the 4v4 big ass court will be interesting if it's big there will be less hacking but more players...hmm?

Maybe we could do a try it out in the london cup? Cos its a fun tourney?

I'm up for trialling this at the 4v4 but maybe there's already too much new going on in that?

UK champs maybe might be too important/serious a tourney for some people... so....

London Open? It's traditionally where we try next level shit at tournament level, non?

No hacking at all only cleverly hooking, maybe only on ball carriers.

this is a good shout. would make goalie hooking/hacking obselete too.

For me hacking should only be legal when it's not to hard, and only from

bottom to top.
Yeah, hacking down should be out completely, upward hooking FTW.

Oh, wait...

The only way to remove hooking would be to introduce a crease. Death to the turtle.

Yup. Crease and no hooking ftw. We don't have to always go along with the nah. Tbh I think they don't rule hard on hooking cos it doesn't happen there like it does in Europe. They get rid of it in games by heckling/booing hookers..same as the double goalie thing. Here, even though they are both really boring to watch, we just whinge about it court side rather than heckle.

More heckling ftw? ;)

Hoockling

I think they aim for bigger courts which promotes a cleaner game IMO.

Generally if the Uk wants to do something else then it would be a (near future?) UK association job to shape that. But it would be a responsibility to liase with the future euro association and NAH. This may create splinter associations and different sports if we start playing different games. Roller hockey has many different forms and is a bit weaker for it.

We haven't even used this years rules in competitive season in the uk? Rouen yes but i was told they weren't particularly enforced.

Lets try them out first? thats is what is going to be used at the euro's and worlds is it not? Then maybe we can have some influence on them as an a UK body if people want change?

Some of the new rules weren't possible to enforce (interference felt flawed), it was no reflection on the level of reffing (Hugo is a great ref, in-fact France has some of the best refs now, etc).

I agree that we should try to fall in line with the NAH rules, but there's also no harm in some selective trials of new rules if it helps move things forward? (We just need to ensure we send feedback to Kruse, etc.)

yep that does sound good. i've not played them yet though! lets give try them then do some testing. I feel you need to give it a bit of time. People should read the rules again and again.

maybe we can have some influence on them as a UK body if people want change?

Let's do it. A rep and vice rep from each scene and perhaps a sub-forum for them to discuss things? is this possible?

4v4 is a good place to try new rules. I think 4v4 (or 5v5) will be the future anyway, so why not introduce some other possible futuristic rules, then feedback to the scene? I suppose it's Cam's call..

Introducing a no mallet contact rule in a tournament could ruin it (everyone forgetting, ref's constantly blowing whistle etc like high stick rule in Florida) as if it's not gonna be crazy enough already with 8 people surrounding a goal trying to score/defend. plus there's nothing wrong with hooking

i think when you're chasing someone down, or in a one on one situation, **when you can't get the ball **it can be so frustrating that you still feel an urge to do something with the mallet, and the hook is the least violent thing you can do.

This is key - it's desperate and you've already been beaten. Deal with it.

No hacking at all only cleverly hooking, maybe only on ball carriers.

This is pretty much where we're at now. Except for no goalie-fucking.

The only way to remove hooking would be to introduce a crease. Death to the turtle.

*TESTIFY!!!!*

As far as trying stuff out and influencing the rules, I don't quite get how it works. It seems futile to try out new rules at big tournaments and it feels like NAH come up with the rules each year, and the rest of the world follows suit because, well, I don't know why... There's an article on 321 Polo about creases and apparently a majority of people who voted in the leadup to the latest rules formation wanted a crease, but because of the wording, there's no crease.

Not trying to be a dick about it - perhaps there is a democratic/proportional method behind it all and I'm just not aware of it.

maybe we can have some influence on them as an a UK body if people want change?

Let's do it. A rep and vice rep from each scene and perhaps a sub-forum for them to discuss things? is this possible?

I think part of the problem with the last wave of UKHBPA enthusiasm was that I didn't see much comms.

As a player a.k.a stakeholder, I didn't have much to discuss with my local rep because I wasn't aware of the agenda of future meetings and I didn't know what happened at the last meeting.

Are there any accessible records from past meetings, or are they in some unpublicised archive?

This is key - it's desperate and you've already been beaten. Deal with it.

indeed, its like that last ditch tackle that you know is going to mean a penalty, but you have to do something!

I think part of the problem with the last wave of UKHBPA enthusiasm was that I didn't see much comms.

As a player a.k.a stakeholder, I didn't have much to discuss with my local rep because I wasn't aware of the agenda of future meetings and I didn't know what happened at the last meeting.

Are there any accessible records from past meetings, or are they in some unpublicised archive?

Who was the chair of the UKBPA, will they have them?

the short lived crease at the LO worked very well, we often play with a crease in Birmingham. it makes for more open play, so more passes, more space and less physical play.

It also seems odd to me that the NAH decided to take a considerable risk by introducing the interference rule this year, but seems risk-averse when it comes to creases...

Dan, perhaps you can come up with an alternative Birmingham ruleset?

I agree that we should try to fall in line with the NAH rules, but there's also no harm in some selective trials of new rules if it helps move things forward? (We just need to ensure we send feedback to Kruse, etc.)

Very much this. I've been been reminding Kruse and Joe that those outside NA are using them, and passing on feedback as I get it, and it is being taken into account.

It seems futile to try out new rules at big tournaments and it feels like NAH come up with the rules each year, and the rest of the world follows suit because, well, I don't know why... There's an article on 321 Polo about creases and apparently a majority of people who voted in the leadup to the latest rules formation wanted a crease, but because of the wording, there's no crease.

Not trying to be a dick about it - perhaps there is a democratic/proportional method behind it all and I'm just not aware of it.

The NAH writes the rules for itself, but because no-one else is anywhere near as organised, there is no alternative. I'm sure if there was a functional EHBPA, with a rules body, then the NAH rulesetters would work with them to form a unified Worlds ruleset. Right now the NAH rules are the world ruleset.

As Gormley says, splitting is a very bad scenario.

In terms of the crease, that has been answered too. Kruse and Joe are more than aware that the majority wanted some form of a crease above no crease. And they tried to write a crease rule that covered what was wanted, while keeping it competitive, and it became so complicated, they left it out (for now). Interference is their alternative. Maybe it won't work, and it will change for 2015. We will see.

In terms of the process, the rules are not decided by democracy, the votes are for guidance. But once the rules proposal are submitted, they are voted on by all the NAH clubs (and were passed by a massive majority)

So just americans get to decide, kinda like everythign else.
when will china bike polo kick off so we have an alternative?