Where did all the hipsters go?

"(i mean the fact that someone has actually written that agyness deyn's hairstyle is somehow eponymous with the state of the economy is... shocking and infuriating)."

please tell me you made that up for comedy effect?
it's a joke right?
{shakes head and realises it probably isn't}

this isn't something that is confined to our youth. we just generally live in a more apathetic, shallow society now.

glass half empty? compared to when? i think we're more connected and involved now in some ways, and more disconnected in others. but a mass demonstration or counter-culture music movement aren't the only ways to be involved in something.

we've been lulled into this comfortable consumer culture. i'm hoping that a recession makes us care less about the new prada it bag, and a bit more about what's happening in the world around us.

that would be good.

Apparently so, from a swift google.
That being said, I lost all respect for "Skateboard P" when he mentioned that he didn't take his deck on tour, as it would get his hands dirty. Douche.

He's a musician, dude... They're all douches... ;]

yeah true i didn't address that. i didn't grow up under thatcher, i grew up in the sun. thatcher must've sucked, and some kids today have been lucky, but that's hardly their fault, and you have to be careful not to sound like you're eating sour grapes.

I'm sure it all gets very tiresome for youngsters to be told "you're bloody lucky, we never had any of this!" by miserable, bitter old cunts all the time.

Didn't happen to me though, everyone was shitting it, people didn't say we were lucky or privilaged, they said things like "it wasn't like this in the 60's, you could walk out of one job on a friday, and get a new one on monday!"

Just as tiresome,maybe, but poles apart.

Most people just want to see youngsters make the most of the things we never had, for instance, I missed out lots of sport that I was good at as a child, due to piss poor infrastructure and schooling, at least nowadays talented swimmers, cyclists and athletes can reach their potential with the right amount of help. No sour grapes there, I'm very happy the situations changed.

anyway, that's a massive tangent from the whole hipster thing, which is just a bit of pisstake

"you were clearly endorsing the theory you mentioned."
" paraphrased the spirit of your argument! you may not have actually said that in as many words, but it was pretty clearly implied."

FYI i am not endorsing the theory just putting it to the floor for discussion. i'm really sorry you misconstrued my post but written english isn't my strongpoint.

ok, so we're now discussing the theory, as you wanted. my replies still apply.

i'm not going to pore over the minutiae of your reply but i'm surprised that somebody who writes this:
"but let's not make sweeping generalisations based on a few nathan barleys in fucking shoreditch. and let's not forget that there is a big world outside London and New York."

is happy to make sweeping generalisations like this:
Originally Posted by badtmy
"spoken like a true middle-aged man"

guilty.

if you approach my first post as a proposition of a theory not a statement of fact (as it was intended) then an ad hominem argument is likely to be avoided and a discussion more likely to happen.

i've been discussing the theory you submitted, and i'm happy to continue doing so. i think it's a bad theory, poorly informed, and overly patronising.

I don't think the 'lack of creative work ethic' thing only applies to now.

From my own experience, I left school, and due to socio-economic problems, fucked off the idea of university and got a job. There really only seemed to be one job which I was qualified for, and which was vaguely interesting/facilitated a move to London. I don't mean one type of job - I mean one actual vacancy.

Meanwhile I was writing songs and recording demos at about a rate of 1 per week for me, plus one a fortnight for each of the bands I was playing in. Everyone I admired in music had been prolific in the extreme, so I aspired to that, hoping that quality would eventually appear like a needle in the haystack of quantity; and to a certain extent it did.

I got exploited to fuck in my job, and quit. Signed on, and also got fucked around by incompetents.

Meanwhile, a lot of the people I was involved with creatively did nearly fuck all. They were a lazy and deluded bunch of cunts on the whole, predominantly middle-class (but not entirely), and fundamentally unaware of what I meant when I said I had no money or no place to sleep, because on the quiet their parents took care of all that. They were driven by consumption, although the stuff they craved differed from the proclivities of 20-somethings today, and if they managed to cobble together a single bassline or one flyer for a hypothetical gig over the course of 3 months, they considered themselves redeemed as bona fide artists and creative iconoclasts.

And I've heard similar stories from creative people who were doing their thing shortly after the birth of the teenager, and the commencement of lusting after cathode-packaged American dreams on English shores.

The population is soaring, more and more people (or their parents) live on credit to afford themselves a jelly-brained and deeply unfulfilling life of leisure, and the media is evermore ubiquitous, increasing our awareness of the number of useless cunts that are out there, masquerading as artists and artisans.

It has always been shit, it's currently shit, and it'll always be shit; but it's great at the same time.

I have always aspired to be destructive rather than creative and, having read your piece, BMMF, I must say that I appear to have taken the right course in life.

Half the time I thought I was being creative, it turns out I was being very destuctive :(

"there are few things as exciting as a creative appetite for destruction"

• some cunt, somewhere at some time.
  

"there are few things as exciting as an appetite for cheesecake"

• BMMF, most of the time.
  
  

You should ask before quoting me, young man.

One of the founding fathers of the United States is reputed to have said something along the lines of:

"My grandfather was a farmer so that his son could be a merchant. My father was a merchant so that I could be a lawyer. I am a lawyer so that my children can be artists."

I am not sure that the hierarchy of 225 years ago reflects today's society accurately. The aspiraton to be creative is, however a noble one but ne which does not, in itself, create economic wealth. Neither do lawyers. Farmers and merchants are very necessary. Today, however, social aspirations, whether it is to be a lawyer, mnerchant or artist ought to be open to the sons and daughters of anyone, provided that they have the talent and are willing to work to exploit that talent.

And if they have neither the talent nor the willingness to work to exploit it, they should become a teacher.

or a celebrity

It's all the same thing - just ask pj (pj).

sod or celebrity?

where has pj (pj) been lately?

Bristol/getting bike knicked/selling bike/selling bits/etc.

he's writing his Masters paper. (tribal society in modern Britain, the rise and fall of the hipster)

where has pj (pj) been lately?

he's been enjoying a stint at Her Majesty's pleasure, after being caught in a Hampshire field sodomizing a goat...

Oh, that pj (pj).

Bape, Arropsoke, New Era cap and Ray Bans and a stealth paint job....

Who else do I know like that..

hahaaa!

he's been on the sunbed a fair bit too.

Has anyone ever seen Teenslain and Pharell in the same place? . . . Hmmm!

Cliveo, I'm living the American dream. My mother's parents were farmers, my mother is a stock broker, and me and my sister are both in art school. :)