Photographic industry

im 18 and wanna be a photographer currently at london college of fashion so ive got a long way to go

seriously if this is true that you let Canon use one of your images for free then you are a mug.

i was asked, it's easy for me to say no as when it comes to the business side of things i have heard it all before "there is a really big job coming up" "can you just shoot these as well" "we want complete copyright" etc etc. i don't fall for any of it and the legal side of my paperwork is watertight.
a fellow photographer who helps put these articles together asked me if they could use the image. there is no fee and i'm happy with that. for a couple of reasons.
They were upfront about it and it can only be used in that article.
it's a bit of free publicity for me
If i ever have any problems with a canon product in the future i will use the line "i can't believe you are not honoring the warranty but are happy to use my images for free" (hopefully this will never happen)
I'm unlikely to use the image for anything else.

I doubt there are many contributors to this thread who have Terms and conditions attached to their invoices that take up a whole page and issue usage licenses for each image they sell.
to call me a mug suggests i don't know what i'm doing with my business. i'm confident that i do know what i'm doing otherwise i wouldn't still be in business.

fair enough I just think that letting companies use images for free is detrimental to the photography business as a whole, because if they can get hold of images for free then why pay a photographer. Therefore taking possible business away from other photographers. I have seen this happen so much in Portsmouth that there is now no photography oppertunities at all and the local newspapers etc.... dont pay for any images because there is always someone who will do it for free believing that it is benificial for them and a little bit of fame/ publicity. I was not suggesting that you know nothing about business etc... I just disagree with the idea of letting a multi million pound organisation use an image for free.

IMO just cos you have a flickr account doesn't make you a photographer.

I have a flickr pro account. Does that make me a photographer?

;)

Full time Product Photographer in the fashion industry.

ooh look at me!

Are you freelance Casp or do you work for a studio?

I did some hand modeling once, for a few beers like

So did you get lots of hand jobs?

not really, although it was a lot more tiring than most people would imagine, holding different positions for such a long time. and the studio was really cold...The relief at the end was quite nice though.

i was asked, it's easy for me to say no as when it comes to the business side of things i have heard it all before "there is a really big job coming up" "can you just shoot these as well" "we want complete copyright" etc etc. i don't fall for any of it and the legal side of my paperwork is watertight.
a fellow photographer who helps put these articles together asked me if they could use the image. there is no fee and i'm happy with that. for a couple of reasons.
They were upfront about it and it can only be used in that article.
it's a bit of free publicity for me
If i ever have any problems with a canon product in the future i will use the line "i can't believe you are not honoring the warranty but are happy to use my images for free" (hopefully this will never happen)
I'm unlikely to use the image for anything else.

I doubt there are many contributors to this thread who have Terms and conditions attached to their invoices that take up a whole page and issue usage licenses for each image they sell.
to call me a mug suggests i don't know what i'm doing with my business. i'm confident that i do know what i'm doing otherwise i wouldn't still be in business.

jeebus i was raised by a contract lawyer and i thought i was obsessive about legal documentation.

jeebus i was raised by a contract lawyer and i thought i was obsessive about legal documentation.

i'm a member of the AOP (association of photographers) they helped draught the copyright designs and patent act 1998. they are very active in promoting proper licensing of images and IP (intellectial property).
this isn't a bad thing. if you are dealing with large businesses they will have proper paperwork for their contracts, just because you are a sole trader shouldn't preclude you from doing likewise.
put another way: I only got ripped off once. :-)

i'm an OAP they help me to the toilet and make sure the meals on wheels man doesn't pilfer my pension money

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@Mr.Smith. You're right. Man Ray famously made several images without a camera, but they are known as photograms.

When he exposed photographic paper using objects to mask/stencil the area?

have you wet yourself again wayne

fair enough I just think that letting companies use images for free is detrimental to the photography business as a whole, because if they can get hold of images for free then why pay a photographer. Therefore taking possible business away from other photographers. I have seen this happen so much in Portsmouth that there is now no photography oppertunities at all and the local newspapers etc.... dont pay for any images because there is always someone who will do it for free believing that it is benificial for them and a little bit of fame/ publicity. I was not suggesting that you know nothing about business etc... I just disagree with the idea of letting a multi million pound organisation use an image for free.

in this case though, the image carries his name and copyright plain for all to see. and it's linked. I'd say that was worth something in advertising alone.

what's better, £70, a slap on the cock and "thanks for the shot we'll just take that for ourselves" or ownership of the image and free advertising on a huge website?

is the answer C) Neither?

is the answer C) Neither?

I don't know what the answer is..

it begins with B, and ends in 'eer'

balladeer?

Are you freelance Casp or do you work for a studio?

Hey J-D-S-H,

I am head Photographer and run a in house studio for:

http://www.paulsmith.co.uk/shop/

http://www.paulsmith.co.uk/us

Ive been really interested in photography for about 4 years now (im 17). I started with a casio exilim compact camera and then got a fuji s5600 bridge camera for christmas. I've basically taught myself everything I know. I did my AS level a year early, and ended up getting a higher mark then all the people in the year above. What really fucks me off is all the kids who get bought digital SLRS on a whim, without a shred of photographic knowledge and just end up using them on auto to take photos of their friends posing for myspace.

Hey J-D-S-H,

I am head Photographer and run a in house studio for:

http://www.paulsmith.co.uk/shop/

http://www.paulsmith.co.uk/us

Cool. Do you know a guy called Neil who works there, bang into his vinyl toys? Can't just remember his surname.
I work for these guys:
http://www.pixelate.biz

Cool. Do you know a guy called Neil who works there, bang into his vinyl toys? Can't just remember his surname.
I work for these guys:
http://www.pixelate.biz

you have some nice pics there!

No don't know him, i am based in nottingham and presume his based in london.

nope defo don"t know him!

Ive been really interested in photography for about 4 years now (im 17). I started with a casio exilim compact camera and then got a fuji s5600 bridge camera for christmas. I've basically taught myself everything I know. I did my AS level a year early, and ended up getting a higher mark then all the people in the year above. What really fucks me off is all the kids who get bought digital SLRS on a whim, without a shred of photographic knowledge and just end up using them on auto to take photos of their friends posing for myspace.

life just ain't fair, kid.

Ive been really interested in photography for about 4 years now (im 17). I started with a casio exilim compact camera and then got a fuji s5600 bridge camera for christmas. I've basically taught myself everything I know. I did my AS level a year early, and ended up getting a higher mark then all the people in the year above. What really fucks me off is all the kids who get bought digital SLRS on a whim, without a shred of photographic knowledge and just end up using them on auto to take photos of their friends posing for myspace.

N is right; life's not fair. Just keep going mate, keep shooting. To paraphrase Lance Armstrong, It's Not About The Camera.

not really, although it was a lot more tiring than most people would imagine, holding different positions for such a long time. and the studio was really cold...The relief at the end was quite nice though.

hand model or fluffer?