OTP lovers!

Soon to get a re-spray, although I'm keeping the Bianchi decals because I'm proud that it's a Bianchi because Bianchi are a legendary brand and they're Italian breeeeeeeath

unfortunately I shall not be taking your advice on board because I edit my photos that is what I do, I work as a photographer and I hate to tell you this but...........people were editing photos long before photoshop in the darkroom. So dont start an anti editing debate as you obviously know nothing about photography. correct me if I am wrong.

i think he simply meant that nowadays people spend too much time messing about in Photoshop than taking photos.

fair enough but I disagree I spend a whole day taking photos and then (in my opinion ) I improve them through the use of photoshop and other programms.

Anyway I have spent days in a dark room printing a single image for an exhibition, it is much faster in photoshop than in the traditional way.

as long as you watch your angles, who cares, each to their own....

^sorry darling!^

No knee-jerk thank you, but following the sound advice and experience of someone who knows the track. Plus photographic evidence that says you're speaking from your little brown mouth.

:)

I can disagree if I want, and in this case I want. Rather than knee-jerk, engage brain and follow:

• track bars enable several riding positions
  
• the key position track bars are designed for (and we're interested in) is "on the drops" (ie not the hoods or tops)
  

• track bars are designed to have this critical section of bar at a specific angle and distance from rider for max power*

• though the same applies for touring bars and racers

ergo, if your riding position isn't comfortable, then you have the wrong shape bars and/or the wrong set up (stem height / length). You can get a set of bars to be comfortable if you set them up at an angle, but that doesn't mean that this is correct.

Bars at a slight angle up is usually the OTP "factory fresh" look, and comes from having a slightly higher riding position (on the hoods), beneficial when you're just getting used to a bike. Who hasn't got an OTP and dropped the bars a few degrees after the first week or two? Or to put it another way, who has bought an OTP and thought "I need to raise the angle of the bars"? (no-one!)

obviously there are exceptions for the very few, but the general rule still stands.

If you really don't believe me, then find me a monocoque bar which is not horizontal.

No knee-jerk thank you, but following the sound advice and experience of someone who knows the track. Plus photographic evidence that says you're speaking from your little brown mouth.

:)

? and I don't?

I rode my first track event in 1986...

Soon to get a re-spray, although I'm keeping the Bianchi decals because I'm proud that it's a Bianchi because Bianchi are a legendary brand and they're Italian breeeeeeeath

how about this mate - half chrome half colour? would look really classy and italian.

if you want to find the old decals - this is how the old decal look;

^ slack chain

Ditto on the slack chain

But whats with the penile stem?

And mate, somebody's had a lark, and tied you seat to the toptube.

The bike is an original Bianchi track bike from the 1930.

Only having a bubblebath ed. :))

I could tell it was an all-original.

oh I know! I just couldn't be bothered to says that in the comment with the picture.

As frogs would say, "tres cool".

VeeVee.......I was put up to that!! Given 100 squid!!

? and I don't?

I rode my first track event in 1986...

Meh! RPM rode his first track event in 1886. You lose.

so you're arguing on behalf of what RPM said, not what you know yourself?

have you ever ridden a bike drops?

Oooooooo. Get her.

That's absolutely gorgeous!

FFS I'm happy to disagree with someone who's talking from experience, but I'm sitting here arguing with someone who has no idea, and is just regurgitating other people's arguments!

Joel, get your coat. The barman doesn't like you.

Ha ha ha ha ha!!

this is my bike.. pretty much standard at the mo except some clips and cages, chain tugs, a nitto riser and some ourys..

am looking into getting it powder-coating in reflective at the mo'.. don't really want to get a high-vis jacket or owt but cycling home in the dark is chuffing scary and i think the reflective thing could be quite cool...

unfortunately I shall not be taking your advice on board because I edit my photos that is what I do, I work as a photographer and I hate to tell you this but...........people were editing photos long before photoshop in the darkroom. So dont start an anti editing debate as you obviously know nothing about photography. correct me if I am wrong.

i was saying that in my humble opinion photos with out all that editing look much nicer, and are more interesting. editing and processing techniques can look good, when used sparsely, but i don't like photos where the base is not the image, but what can be done to it in the darkroom/ photoshop. And FYI i worked both in a darkroom, and with photoshop, and studied both tecniques.

I'm not having a go, you clearly have a good eye, and know your shit. i would just like to see something less processed, but i am not an artdirecter, and probably never will be so you have no need to give a fuck about what i say, yet being american i feel the need to say it.

FFS I'm happy to disagree with someone who's talking from experience, but I'm sitting here arguing with someone who has no idea, and is just regurgitating other people's arguments!

It may have escaped your attention but up to this point I was having a bubble. For a serious reply please read the following:

In my experience, and although I've never ridden on the track (something I'm looking forward to as I get fitter after a long layoff from cycling), I've ridden many different bicycles for all sorts of reasons off and on since I was about 10 I guess, so over the past 29 years - it's what is comfortable that really counts. And that often comes down to the individual. I do ride on the drops but infrequently and find the position my bars are in perfectly comfy, thanks awfully.

It's also interesting to note that from the pictures that were posted up, very well known professional cyclists, both track and road, seem to have their bars in a more upright position. Perhaps this is because they understand and appreciate that it's what suits them best that really matters. Or, perhaps in their professional careers they just haven't had the great benefit of your obviously superior experience. If only they had positioned their bars the way 'fred' on the interweb said they have to to be right. Who knows, by now some of them might have won Olympic gold or something...

am looking into getting it powder-coating in reflective at the mo'..

like this?

yep, just like that.. have struggled to find somewhere in the UK that can do it though and that site only talks about reflective tape..

i'm surprised it's not more common..

yet being american i feel the need to say it.

always meddling in other peoples business

Reflective bikes are the new brakeless!

(seriously tho thats great! Let me know if you find somehere a1)