H Plus Son rims - are they any good?

I raced on Velocity Fusions for 3 years so bite me.

Bars? Yes, how much?

£10?

they are taped with black Pro bar tape, too

the fusions are quite decent rims I have to admitted, strong and not heavy for a v rims.

They're not very deep, maybe CXP33 equivalents? I've not seen mine since I left Oz so.. err.. memory fail.

RPM.. I'd be interested.. got a pic? I wanted to run two hoods but might make do without for a while..

yeah equal to an CXP33, used to have one as a rear rims, the velocity fusions is just cheaper.

hmmm - H & Son rim fail.

any idea how slamm?

how'd you do it - am i about to die in a spinning torrent of spokes and torn aluminium or did you hit the biggest kerb in london?

"At first, I wasn't going to post this, but after thinking about it for a bit, I decided I should. There have been some conversations lately on this blog about rims. I'm not going to get into the debate again and I do think that this is a freak accident, but I've never seen something like this happen before and I believe it's important to get this out there.
That being said, let me apologize to H+Son [H plus son, H + Son, ect] for posting it, but if this starts to happen a lot, you guys are going to have to re-evaluate how you're manufacturing your rims.
You don't want people's wheels exploding on them while they're bombing traffic, hills or whatever.
Thanks for the info Ganring.
My take on what happened:
It's obvious the rim exploded at the valve-stem drilling in the rim. What most likely occurred was that the rider made an error we all have at some point; he didn't properly nest the tube and tire within the hooks of the rim's cross-section.
What usually happens when you do that is your tube slips past the wire bead of the tire and forms a bubble. You can ride on it like this, but it will eventually explode. From my observation, it appears that the rim's inner wall was weaker than the tire bead and it took the released force the hardest resulting in the damage shown above.
These rims are deeper than Velocity Deep Vs and appear to be 1/2 the weight as well. Something has been compromised in the process.
The rider was not bunny-hopping or doing anything that would cause this kind of fracture. I was told that he just did a skid and heard a "pop"."

http://prollyisnotprobably.com/2008/11/back_to_the_drawing_board.php

Original thread: http://www.orangecountyfixed.com/2008/10/26/h-son-wheels-please-read/page1/

wasn't me socialamnesia - found on Prolly's blog.

" It's obvious the rim exploded at the valve-stem drilling in the rim. What most likely occurred was that the rider made an error we all have at some point; he didn't properly nest the tube and tire within the hooks of the rim's cross-section. What usually happens when you do that is your tube slips past the wire bead of the tire and forms a bubble. You can ride on it like this, but it will eventually explode. From my observation, it appears that the rim's inner wall was weaker than the tire bead and it took the released force the hardest resulting in the damage shown above.
These rims are deeper than Velocity Deep Vs and appear to be 1/2 the weight as well. Something has been compromised in the process.
The rider was not bunny-hopping or doing anything that would cause this kind of fracture. I was told that he just did a skid and heard a "pop". "

:-/

"I told you London FG was right." haha :)

H+Son's response

"i didnt want to join a bunch of forums defending my product. but i think new fixed gear riders lack a general understanding of road rims.
first off the weighht of a deep v 700c is not 530 grams like it says on the website. do some real research or weigh it on a scale. It is closer to something like 580.
If your wheel is bending it is probably because you arnt tensioning the spokes enough. the extra 12 mm and the 400+ mpa alloy makes for a very stiff rim. I DO NOT USE the much cheaper 6061 alloy you find on velocity.
12mm is a huge difference as far as aero performance is concerned.
If you get a chance to, please touch the sidewall of a carbon fiber deep profile rim. They flex like crazy, but that does not mean it isnt stiff.
The thin side wall is for reducing weight and is actually the hardest part of making the rim. to build a heavy rim with a thick sidewall is a very easy task.
in the next few months i will be coming out witth a 680 gram formation face rim for kids that want to do tricks on them. Also there will be a 30mm high 540 gram formation face rim as well.
it is a peice of cake. you dont even have to machine the sidewalls to lighten the rim.
the original formation face rim wasnt made for tricking in mind. they were designed for speed. And for road riding and normal curb jumping they are more than enough.
Keo and tom are both testing out my heavier tricking rim right now.
the the macaframa team will be ridng the rims soon.
MASH crew have also given them a positive review.
No money was exchanged for their endorsement.
sorry for the lack of punctuation and caps. im typing on an italian computer right now.
please read the review on page 3 from a roadie that has been building wheels for many years.
http://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=49366&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
lastly i want to add. 580 grams is crazy light for a 42mm high alloy rim. you dont even want to know what campy shamals or even atlanta weigh."

The rider was not bunny-hopping or doing anything that would cause this kind of fracture. I was told that he just did a skid and heard a "pop". "
:-/

well at least I only have a H+son front wheel than both front and rear.

they'll still sell like hotcakes.

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somehow even thought their rims have problem I already have more respect toward them than Velocity.

i'd say that response was pretty measured - and one in the eye for the early adopters unaware of the limitations of the material. check out the closing sequence of "king of skitch" for a perfect example of what happens when you assume that just because something looks cool you can do anything on it:

plus size courier jumps off steps with custom yellow rev-x's with predictable and hilarious results...

fucking class.

Original thread: http://www.orangecountyfixed.com/2008/10/26/h-son-wheels-please-read/page1/

good god, I'm probably calling the kettle black, but some of the people in that site are even ruder.

somehow even thought their rims have problem I already have more respect toward them than Velocity.

Why Ed? Why so down on Velocity? they are an established company and have been making good products for a long time, longer than you or i have been riding fixed wheel bikes i would wager. don't 'disrespect' them because the trendy brigade spotted singled them out for being deep-section, quite cheap, strong and available in loads of spacky colours (snakeskin anyone?).

i can't believe a rim could split down several spoke holes like that. maybe because the triangle profile is elongated unlike the equilateral(ish) profile of a normal rim it just isn't strong enough.
if it was double eyeleted i doubt it would have failed so spectacularly.

Why Ed? Why so down on Velocity? they are an established company and have been making good products for a long time, longer than you or i have been riding fixed wheel bikes i would wager. don't 'disrespect' them because the trendy brigade spotted singled them out for being deep-section, quite cheap, strong and available in loads of spacky colours (snakeskin anyone?).

Did I says I disrespect them? no, they're a reliable company with reliable wheels, hell I prefer their Fusion over the Mavic Open Pro.
What I simply meant is that I like how Tzusing actually listen and read what people says about their rims and try and solve the problem, it's nice to see a human side to a company.

I should've wrote my comment with a little bit more detail next time.

oh ok, i got the wrong end of the stick then... apologies. I agree that it's admirable to defend your product personally (although not a luxury all companies could afford). fair play.

It's not likely Mr Velocity, way over there in Queensland somewhere, is going to be reading LondonFGSS.com is he? Not to mention the fact that Mr. Velocity isn't having to defend exploding rims. Aussie-built ftw! :)

Is it clear if this has happened once and been blogged about all over... or has actually happened on more than one occasion?

Is it clear if this has happened once and been blogged about all over... or has actually happened on more than one occasion?

well, I have done quite a bit of research on it before buying one, so far I only managed to find two occasion, one is in that orange country fixed gear forum and the other is the excessive damage one as shown above.