2008-07-14 - Rider Down/Fatality, Grays Inn Road

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  • Tynan, over time doesn't most of this technology becomes as cheap as chips?

  • what was that?

    i'll have a scan on bbc site... basically 3 year sentences for negligent drivers who kill.

  • I think we're long overdue an awareness campaign on this one. If the various government departments can find money to remind us not to drink and drive, use a seatbelt, even (for different reasons) to pump up our car tyres, they can find money for this. Every week I see somebody getting closer to an HGV than any sane person would if they knew the dangers, if they were on this forum and read threads like this (and tragically there are quite a few threads like this).

    Low-budget, short documentary about HGVs, blindspots, cyclists etc...

    **Lorries and Towns Don't Mix **

    http://showcase.commedia.org.uk/arti...view/390/1/13/

  • kids getting stabbed, cyclits getting killed...
    maybe i should just stay inside till i die?

    Funny that just got me thinking, On the radio last night it was saying we were in a knife epidemic because the 20th knife death was reported and the government were all hands on deck drafting legislation, I know its a far off comparison and one is violent the other is not but looking at the figures Bill put out there 17 people were killed by HGV/LGV last yer and the government don't really see that as a problem. Which can be significantly improved with not so much money ..as opposed to knife crime which is a deep rooted problem ...I suppose what ever gets you the vote.

  • Tynan, over time doesn't most of this technology becomes *as cheap as chips*?

    Unfortunately the reason technology gets cheap as chips is because someone has to buy it at the inflated price to start with in order for the company to make most of there money back (on research/ development), then they lower the price ..all depends who goes first :/

  • Bingo, got it !

    You need to make the sensor directional.

    On a rolling stop the stationary street furniture is moving from the front to the rear of the lorry. A cyclist coming up the side will be moving in the opposite direction, from the rear to the front.

    A row of small infared sensors along the cycle side of the lorry would know the direction of the object - that is breaking it's beam - is moving in by sensing the order of the return signal(s). Again cheap stuff, off the shelf components, tiny PSB for the brain, row of sensors - this thing would obviously have to be retro fitted and is so simple that it could literally be stuck (self adhesive) or bonded on to the side of the truck at the specified/recommended height.

    So I prayed to my 'higher power' Tynan and he/she/it intuitively told me to go look in the MAPLIN's catalogue under alarms. Maybe someone already makes a suitable proximity sensor or at least one that could be modified as a prototype?

  • Tynan, over time doesn't most of this technology becomes *as cheap as chips*?

    Wing mirrors will always be cheaper than video+monitor systems, even if the prices (of both) drop.

  • So I prayed to my 'higher power' Tynan and he/she/it intuitively told me to go look in the MAPLIN's catalogue under alarms. Maybe someone already makes a suitable proximity sensor or at least one that could be modified as a prototype?

    That is how I start everything I make, look for something that has most of the parts up and working already and chop it up. Proximity sensor alarm would be a great starting point.

    Tell Jesus thanks, can you also mention that when I said 'cock' what I meant to say was 'Jesus Rocks !'.

  • I think rider training (not licensing) would be a good idea. I'm guessing that quite a few novice London cyclists don't have driving licenses, so if they don't get some cycle training then they will be heading out on the road with no real idea what is going on or proper understanding of the way cars move in traffic.

  • I think rider training (not licensing) would be a good idea.

    They will never make licensing mandatory for the same reason they will never make helmets mandatory.

  • Funny that just got me thinking, On the radio last night it was saying we were in a knife epidemic because the 20th knife death was reported and the government were all hands on deck drafting legislation, I know its a far off comparison and one is violent the other is not but looking at the figures Bill put out there 17 people were killed by HGV/LGV last yer and the government don't really see that as a problem. Which can be significantly improved with not so much money ..as opposed to knife crime which is a deep rooted problem ...I suppose what ever gets you the vote.

    It's the newpapers a stabbing makes the front page but crushed to death by a lorry zzzZZzZZZzz no one is interested some probably think that they deserve it those yobo hooligan outlaw cyclists

  • fuck lorries

  • Lorry company Cemex urges others to look, Daley attacks cyclists
    28.03.08 by Buffalo Bill

     As regular readers of Moving Target will know, more than [half the cyclists killed in London in 2007 died as the result of a collision with a lorry](http://www.movingtargetzine.com/article/transport-for-london-to-give-away-10-000-blind-spot-mirrors).  So far this year, [2 London bicycle messengers have been injured by collisions with a lorry](http://www.movingtargetzine.com/article/effri-and-chewy-run-over-by-lorries-in-the-same-day). Cemex, who operate a large fleet of lorries (aka LGVs aka HGVs), fitted with an impressive array of features to minimise the risk of colliding with cyclists, [have urged ‘all hauliers and transport companies to look at their procedures and do all they can to minimise accidents. These types of measures could help prevent more deaths on the road’](http://www.roadtransport.com/Articles/2008/03/26/130197/cemex-follow-our-safety-lead.html).
      Cemex safety systems include:
      *Additional nearside mirrors fitted to all 1,500 cement mixers, tankers and tippers owned by the company or operated by contractors in company livery within the UK.*
      *Signs fitted to the rear nearside corner of all haulage vehicles owned by the company or operated by contractors in company livery, warning cyclists of the danger of passing along the inside of vehicles.*
      *Additional ‘Caution Keep Clear’ signs fitted to the nearside of cement mixers operating in London and to new vehicles.*
      *Cement mixers and tippers operating in London fitted with proximity sensors on the nearside. These are operational when the left-turn indicator is activated and give a verbal warning to cyclists should they attempt to pass on the nearside, and an audible alarm for the driver.*
    

    Cemex should be applauded for spending the money to try and prevent cyclists being killed or seriously injured by their vehicles. Particulary impressive is the proximity sensor. This goes way beyond what is legally required, and shows that Cemex considers the safety of cyclists around their lorries is paramount.
    Meanwhile James Daley, who writes a column on cycling in the Independent, is keeping up his campaign to become Muppet of the Year. Not content with picking on pedestrians, he has turned his fire on sandwich delivery riders and pedi-cabs. Describing them as ‘cyclo-terrorists’, ‘cycling lunatics’ and a ‘three-wheeled menace’, he calls for them to be banned from cycle paths.

      Why stop there?  Why not ban anyone not wearing an Evans top, helmet and riding an aluminium-framed bike?  Muppet.
    
  • fuck lorries

    Where !?

    Do you have a website address ?

  • It's the newpapers a stabbing makes the front page but crushed to death by a lorry zzzZZzZZZzz no one is interested some probably think that they deserve it those yobo hooligan outlaw cyclists

    +1

  • Unfortunately the reason technology gets cheap as chips is because someone has to buy it at the inflated price to start with in order for the company to make most of there money back (on research/ development), then they lower the price ..all depends who goes first :/

    Been thinking the same thing. Kids getting stabbed to death is tragic, but so is people being crushed under the wheels of a lorry.

  • I feel the urge for a guerilla lorry stickering campaign . . .got any suitable die cut designs up your sleeve Tynan?

  • That is how I start everything I make, look for something that has most of the parts up and working already and chop it up. Proximity sensor alarm would be a great starting point.

    We just bought a Fox-repeller for the back yard.

    Apparently it responds only to the heat-signature of a fox.

  • Wasn't it a Cemex lorry that killed a cyclist in Streatham earlier this year?
    The lorry in the background has their logos.
    http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/news/topstories/display.var.2197080.0.update_cyclist_dies_after_collision_with_lorry.php

  • how about making a big yellow sticker that reworks to read 'WRONG VEHICLE'..?

  • 'if You Can't See My Mirrors, Then I Have Every Right To Crush Your Fragile Body Under My Wheels'

  • Funny that just got me thinking, On the radio last night it was saying we were in a knife epidemic because the 20th knife death was reported and the government were all hands on deck drafting legislation, I know its a far off comparison and one is violent the other is not but looking at the figures Bill put out there 17 people were killed by HGV/LGV last yer and the government don't really see that as a problem. Which can be significantly improved with not so much money ..as opposed to knife crime which is a deep rooted problem ...I suppose what ever gets you the vote.

    it's hard to whip up a moral panic about lorries, but kids with knives are an easy target for tabloid outrage and politically expedient "something must be done" crackdowns.

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