Super-Record Group Unveiled

The new 11 speed is self-adjusting. Not a lot of people know that, eh Micheal.

I am a road cyclist, as wel as a track cyclist, and i have only campa on all of my bikes, but really, this 9-10-11 speed thing is going to far imo. they are all wachting from a marketing standing point, like more gears are better??? this is bullshit, first, it all gets more sensitive for failieur, and second, the wheels get more a symetrical, and so more sensitive for spoke breaking. also in a race you dont even need more then 5 cogs and 1 plateau imo, and in races with climbing, a double plateau, all this shit with more and more gears is going to far!!! fixed gear is the best, fuck the rest

Try and do 14% incline for 5 miles on a fixed and spin down the other side.

Will I get a prize?

Will I get a prize?

Absolutely. (To be discussed).

More than a Macdonalds for sure.

Just as well. Not too popular with anti-capitalist vegetarian types :p

Perhaps a voucher entitling me to jump the queue for knee replacement operations?

a double plateau, all this shit with more and more gears is going to far!!! fixed gear is the best, fuck the rest

you win the prize for the most contradictory post so far this year.

if 5 cogs and 1 ring is all you need, then why does everyone in the TDF and one day classics ride a standard road doubles with a 10/11 speed cassette?

don't be afraid of change. i have a two geared bikes, one has a 1970s close ratio 5 speed cassette, 15-20 and 42:53 on the front. the other has a 12:25 and 39:53. i know which one i'd prefer to ride up ventoux on.

^ coz they got sponsored

^ 8,9,10,11 speed all use that same hub, so has it got something to do with "more a symetrical"?

yes okay, i didn't know that, but 8 speed is to much also imo.

you win the prize for the most contradictory post so far this year.

if 5 cogs and 1 ring is all you need, then why does everyone in the TDF and one day classics ride a standard road doubles with a 10/11 speed cassette?

don't be afraid of change. i have a two geared bikes, one has a 1970s close ratio 5 speed cassette, 15-20 and 42:53 on the front. the other has a 12:25 and 39:53. i know which one i'd prefer to ride up ventoux on.

Yes, all of those riders are sponsored, why do you think, riders in Paris-Roubaix, rode on carbon Zipp wheels??? do you think that was the choice of the riders? of course not, the latest products, have to be showed in those big races. I am an elite cyclist my self, and on the flats (and even slightly hilly) i only need 5 gears, with 1 plateau, lets say a 53 - 12- 14- 16- 18 - 20 and in a RACE on lets say ventoux this would be fine to with a 36 plateau, and for the contradiction, i have to admit (not willingly) that in road racing nowadays you nead gears, but still the purest form of cycling racing imo is trackracing on fixed (thats why i am going to concentrate on the track)

another example of this more and more, marketing competition shit is with them razors,

first you had your standard razors, then the wilkinson sword with 2 blades in em, then gilette with the mach 3, then wilkinson again with the quatro 4 now you have the gilette with fusion 5 i mean where does it al end??? bikes with 15 speed and razors with 10 blades in em? i used them gilette fusion and i think that the first blade whears out as fast as a one bladed one, it starts to get uncomfortable as fast, so you throw it away, with the other 4 still sharp, but yoy payed for them blades!!!! that is the same with them gears, how many tourists, have used up ther 20-19-18 and have to replace there casette?????? while the 11- 12 -13 is still like new??? all of those things are just to take the money out off the wallets of stupid people, who think, wow Bettini rides with that, so therefor so have i!!!

Don Duizings says:

Ride Fixed

Shave Oldstyle

Try and do 14% incline for 5 miles on a fixed and spin down the other side.

well, of course it won't be possible on 50:14!

Quite right I forgot about that, time to buy some sprockets and chain rings.

and a brake

gonna have to call you *Pawl *from now on all these flash geared bikes :)

and a brake

brakes are for suckers

gonna have to call you *Pawl *from now on all these flash geared bikes :)

Ha-Ha!

DutchCyclistD is trying to far too hard.

do you think that was the choice of the riders? of course not, the latest products, have to be showed in those big races.

I think they use the latest technology because it makes them, hmm - now this is a shot in the dark - perhaps faster? The equipment that elite cyclists use isn't developed by scientists/engineers just for fun. The costs involved in developing any product is huge and a business won't fork out for something that doesn't work and won't sell.

The cost IS huge, and to make a profit, the companies want to sell it to hordes of affluent amateurs. Therefore using pro cyclists to market the stuff is a good move - even if they're using their normal kit but with the decals of the new products applied.

DutchCyclistD does make a valid point in that respect, I reckon. The time gains are often minimal, and sometimes non-existent.

Minimal even for elite riders? (Genuinely asking; I'm not taking this piss!)

I definitely see that for amateurs Zipp wheels will make no difference whatsoever.

Pretty minimal, yeah. Some fancy dimpled Zipp wheels might be worth a couple of seconds during an hour in the wind tunnel, but there's a whole load of other stuff to consider in a competition, mainly whether the rider has good legs on the day. It's true that significant innovations (eg tri-bars) make a huge difference though.

The main reason why these products are used (or pretended to be used) is the cash that the manufacturers give to the teams. The riders themselves could be described in the same way that Alfred Hitchcock described actors: cattle.

then how did he describe cattle? how would you know if he was talking about cattle or cattle?
silly fat cunt.

DutchCyclistD does make a valid point in that respect, I reckon. The time gains are often minimal, and sometimes non-existent.

and sometimes even a dis advantage, i have heard first hand, that some riders have to ride with certain wheels in certain races. My example of the zipp wheels. When your team says ride on zipp wheels, you have to, because zipp wants to prove, the wheels can stand paris roubaix, but the wheels are a disadvantage. also full carbon forks are not a good idea in paris roubaix, still, they have to ride on em. okay 10 speed is nice, i race with it to, but i dont see the need for 11 speed, never i was in a race and thought to myself, damn i wish i had 1 more gear now. Never

there is a point about sponsorship there somewhere, buried amidst all the 'i'm an elite rider i could ride up the north face of annapurna on an AW 3 speed roadster because that's all i need' gubbins.