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T-Shirts... Selling T-Shirts.. what is the exploitation!!! raping deprived third world cotton picking cloth vendors for your own greed... i feel abused.. dirty!
against all my social ethics and i never knew, terrorism thats what it is. we are all now funding terrorism!Launch Drinks!!! WTF booze pushing aswell! it's the start of that slippy path into drinking and self harming..
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I know you're joking, but the T-shirts have been produced using fair trade organic cotton and fair trade organic bamboo. I went out of my way to do that, and reduced considerably the profit margin to make sure that I was fine with them. The only exception is that Gildan stuff, as the fair trade and organic stuff wasn't quite large enough or small enough.
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Cheers for the promotion VB.
Just to clear things up, Fixed is 100% independent of everyone, Carhartt are kindly letting us use their warehouse space for a launch party and giving us lots of beer to give away. What bastards!
That's it. They don't even have an advert in the first issue (yes, we're taking advertising, how else do you think we can make the mag free?)
I'm sorry if VB putting that up has offended anyone – we didn't ask him to, but we appreciate the gesture. Hope to see you on Saturday.
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I know you're joking, but the T-shirts have been produced using fair trade organic cotton and fair trade organic bamboo. I went out of my way to do that, and reduced considerably the profit margin to make sure that I was fine with them. The only exception is that Gildan stuff, as the fair trade and organic stuff wasn't quite large enough or small enough.
VB you are a legend man
We just need to calm dears...
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Earth to BMMF, Earth to BMMF, hello...
I'm happier out here in space - fuck off and leave me alone. And don't try and sell me anything, whether you're being paid to do it or not (unless it's your product).
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I'm not fighting. I think I told you, Paul, I'm a loser not a fighter :S
I should make it clear I'm happy with the text links at the top, but think that banner ads (or things similar to them visually) are part of the insidious language of advertising, and although some of the happy consumers on here may disagree, I think advertising and marketing have no redeeming features, and are an expensive distraction from the things that really need the public's attention and cash.
Worthy, but dull.
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It's all changed now.
Let's not fight, please?
agree. thanks for removing the banner ads - appreciated. links are much more subtle and not intrusive, in fact, i think they're much more in keeping with the whole site and social nature of "helping a friend out" that lfgss seems to be about.
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when we pay for a service, our opinions are legitimsed, and then only by virtue of the fact that we can choose not to pay (and walk away). But I can't see how registering for a free service (that isn't in fact free to run) qualifies anyone to think that their opinion has any validity. I wasn't born with a natural right to have my forums ad-free.
So HTFU girls*, it's not like there's an advert for Gap up there...
*apols to the actual females out there
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You're invalidating my right to an opinion? And anyway, this site's a form of social/intellectual real estate, and I've contributed plenty.
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You're invalidating my right to an opinion?
er, not me personally...
And anyway, this site's a form of social/intellectual real estate, and I've contributed plenty.
true to a point. Yes you've contributed to the site, but that alone doesn't give you part ownership, (it's not a democracy *or *a meritocracy).
But you said "I'm registered with this site, and one of the perks is no advertising." - says who? Ok it's a socio political issue, but really, how many ads will you be exposed to today? A couple of thousand? Do you boycott anyone and anything that might market / advertise to you?
FWIW I don't think there should be ads on the site, but it may be that they're necessary to pay for hosting etc. etc. And yes, I know the OT was about upcoming events, not generic marketing / advertising.
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VB has mentioned plenty of times that those who don't register have to put up with banner advertising. So the ad-free registration is a perk. As ever, I'll try to avoid being exposed to advertising as much as possible. I don't watch TV - that's a good start, and I don't pay attention to street advertising. Obviously it's there subliminally, but having fostered a core belief that rejects positive associations with advertising, and a heightened self-awareness of when my behaviour is being irrationally swayed by marketeers, I feel fairly well protected.
I'm choosing to adopt a more militant position on this issue because it's one of those situations where in my own life experience, I see a lot of wishy-washy sit-on-the-fence arguments being given against marketing/advertising (probably because people feel the wholesale commoditization of society is inevitable and don't want to be outsiders), and I'm not happy about that kind of complacency.
VB has asked for donations in order to maintain a form of independence, and people have been happy to contribute. I can't really speak for him personally, but this seems like a bit of a hobby for him, and people tend to fund their own hobbies up to a point.
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Is this still rumbling on?
BMMF, please define bad promotion.
I can't truly offer advert free surfing: the entire Classifieds section is full of adverts, as is most of the Ride and Races section. All I can say is that if you register, I can programmatically ensure that the Google AdSense adverts are not visible.
You'll have to specifically define a difference between what is acceptable and what isn't to be able to start your argument. Why is it OK for Rollapaluza to do such much promotion? Why is it OK for the Classifieds section to exist? What makes it not OK to put your own eBay stuff up continuously? At what point is something spam and not promotion? What differentiates good will promotion and enthusiasm from unwanted advertising?
I'm honestly interested in knowing the basis of your strong conviction. I would love to know how you define acceptable from unacceptable.
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I mentioned self-promotion in a post above. There's no shame in that ;)
It's nothing personal, it was only a small gripe (shared by at least a few others).
The whole marketing/advertising thing is not really something I want to get into in a big way on this forum - I was a bit pissed off by some misinterpreting of my posts, and being told I had no valid right to state an opinion.
I think people who work in marketing are vacuous irresponsible cocks, and I think advertising is a flawed and inappropriate system that invades people's lives and turns their brains to jelly. It's all a monumental waste of time and money. Allow me my idiosynchrasies, if you will.
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BMMF, I too do not have a TV, avoid newspapers and commercial radio. And my all time favourite quote of all time is by Bill Hicks: YouTube - Bill Hicks on Marketing
I didn't mean to invalidate *your opinion *but to establish that avoiding marketing is a choice not a right. my bad. So if you're into anti advertising, then check out culture-jamming, adbusting, and the whole detournement scene and know that it's not an idiosynchrocy at all but a major movement :-)
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BMMF - He's the real thing!
Go to work on a BMMF
The future's bright, the future's BMMF
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I'm not sure how having sponsorship for a launch makes a difference. Does this apply to rides too? If a shop sponsors will you feel narked if I promote the ride?
At what point is promotion OK or not? Given that no-one paid for this and it is just promotion.