Epic fail

@snotter Yah but there's got to be a line where one side it's a crucial social good, the other side less essential but people can pursue it independently if they want.

Everyone having the right and chance to die with dignity
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Donkey sanctuarys

http://www.drfuhrman.com/library/what-is-a-nutritarian-diet.aspx

Dr. Fuhrman created The Health Equation: H=N/C or Health = Nutrients/Calories (first published in 1999 in his work, The Health Equation and later described in more detail in his book, Eat To Live) to define how the quality of calories impacts health.

Epic fail, quite apt. Sounds like a quack to me.

They are particle accelerators, they use a variety of methods to accelerate the energy of a proton up to 250 million electron volts, this is a basic over view of how the system works:

taken from here

So yeah, large amounts of energy are needed to make the system work.

I fucking love science.

http://www.drfuhrman.com/library/what-is-a-nutritarian-diet.aspx

Epic fail, quite apt. Sounds like a quack to me.
But redviking is going to tell us how he's not a quack and he cures cancer, so you're wrong and he's right.

I'm one of them that don't want you to know.

Yeah, I'm not saying all charities should get tax funding, but you shouldn't be against charities that fundraise for stuff you're not bothered about, just don't give them money. Don't give a shit about donkey cruelty, fair enough, but someone does and wants to help them, good for them, I hope they find people that also like donkeys and get some cash off them for carrots and such.

isn't dot cotton the patron of some massive donkey sanctuary?

I'd donate but I'm worried her son nick might be dipping his fingers in the pot when she's busy at the launderette.

Another interesting point. Currently the NHS, and hence basically British healthcare, is willing to spend about £20k/QALY* on intervention. Even if it cures 1000 people, a $50m interventional radiology unit doesn't come close to the benefit of lots of people being on cheap risk-reducing drugs.

But obviously in 20 years time, that snazzy robot might be commonplace and you have to adopt new things at some stage.. but at who's cost? Taxpayer? Charity? The local beta-emission idea from above sounds interesting, but is clearly only suitable for solid tumours, many of which might be amenable to surgery right now. Maybe not as many but how much funding are we going to take out of the ward next door to cover that extra 10%?

Healthcare politics is tricky.

*Quality-Adjusted Life Year - 1 = a fully healthy year of life

Healthcare politics is tricky however the investment in proton beam is more because it is a new technology and as with all new technology in healthcare there are likely to be other, unconsidered applications. What if you could use it for a 5 - 10 minute non invasive procedure to remove arterial plaque? Or to destroy blood clots etc. As the usage of such technology increases the cost will inevitably come down - it always does.

Look at it this way, 20 years ago PET scanners only existed in small numbers and were largely used as expensive research toys; yes you could see the spread of cancer but you could not localise it. Some bright spark the combined it with a CT scanner and 10 years ago it became a very accurate method to diagnose many forms of cancer, but it remained expensive. These days it is cheap the price of the units has come right down as has the cost of the radiopharmaceuticals (it is almost impossible to make money on FDG as there are too many cyclotrons in the UK competing for the business), any cancer centre worth its salt has one and there is provision for providing services up and down the country. Add to that there are new isotopes being developed all the time that means that PET is useful in diagnosis of neurological disorders and heart conditions in big fat fatties.

Yes its unlikely that Proton beam treatments will be anything other than specialised but other applications will be found for it. The price will come down and the need to build up the necessary skills to install and operate this kind of machinery will always be able to generate revenue (just sadly not for the NHS). Add to that you have the real driver for adopting any new technology in healthcare - senior consultants want to have shiny new toys to play with and have a horrible tendency to sulk when their foreign colleagues have something they don't.

Yeah, I'm not saying all charities should get tax funding, but you shouldn't be against charities that fundraise for stuff you're not bothered about, just don't give them money. Don't give a shit about donkey cruelty, fair enough, but someone does and wants to help them, good for them, I hope they find people that also like donkeys and get some cash off them for carrots and such.

Yeah that's what I'm saying, the donkeys can be helped by whoever wants to help them (I actually quite like donkeys, but it doesn't change the point) - but hospices are too important to be left to the "third sector". I'm not against the donkeys, I'm against governments/politics using a thriving charity provision as an excuse not to provide stuff that should be a minimum right.

Cf. food banks. In modern, rich, Britain, they just shouldn't need to exist.

Yup, fuck the donkeys.

mexico

Capitalism is wank.

science squabbling thread >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

On the contrary, I've pointed out there is someone out there having success with a different approach. The results are very real and can be experienced by anyone who is open to trying it.

That's really exiting to hear - What success is he having? Where are these amazing results documented?

His website, where you can also buy his stuff

PBT kit costs £50m, but you also need a £100m building to put it in and £25m a year to run it.

But you should back up any spurious claims with at least a little evidence.

Or a meme.

You're clearly have a means to access the internet. If YOU are interested YOU go and seek it out. I'm not here to spoon feed you.
But what if I have relative that has cancer: I would wish to know what you know now.

I want to know what prevention methods actually cause remission when applied as a cure, so that I could help a loved one.

Why won't you help? You have the answer!

My sister had cancer. She tried it. She doesn't have cancer now. That's enough for me. Is that enough for you?

Oh no! What sort? What treatment did she try that was so successful?

My sister had cancer. She tried it. She doesn't have cancer now. That's enough for me. Is that enough for you?

Not really, no. Happy for your sister and all, but giving no details about what it was, what the cancer was or whatever just makes you sound like you're talking shit. You might well be talking about rubbing sunscreen on a melanoma.

Maybe you're talking about using a late stage drug much earlier in the diagnosis, before it's properly licenced for, this may well be effective, but you should give a few clues.

^^That would be a weird one then.

She radically changed her diet. That's it.

Pfft, she told me it was voodoo that sorted it.

I know there are links between diet and cancer, I never said I didn't believe you either, although a lot of the "diet cured my cancer!" type stories are shite and can turn people away from proven methods and do real damage. I'm sure eating properly (probably less diary if it's china based stuff) alongside proper treatment is a very helpful thing but it should all be done to compliment actual treatment.