Current Projects chat and miscellany

time to bring this up again? https://docs.google.com/a/mvfglobal.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuzGx1fI0j6LdEhNeEZuQ3R3MjViaEh6QUlsTTBxQ3c#gid=0

lightweight fixie wheels.

stans alphas are the way to go - also you are light so maybe even kinlins could work.
Depends if you want matching wheelset and how much dorra you want to drop.

going for bolt on cog, using a disc hub will be the lightest solution.

Maybe you could take Smallfurries advice from CB's Dolan thread - it seemed to go largely ignored :P

I hope to have the start of my new project this afternoon.

how much do Oak charge for track ends?

track ends

The new stans Iron Cross would be a nice choice if you dont need the braking surface.

Comes in all-black 32, 28, and 24 drilled.

http://www.justridingalong.com/wheel-parts/rims/stans-notubes-ztr-iron-cross-32h-black.html

front 28 spoke 2x laced to...

http://superlight-bikeparts.de/Criterium-Vorderradnabe-Leichtbau-Industrielager

would give a cheapish 582g front.

back 32 spoke 3x laced to a modified...

http://superlight-bikeparts.de/Novatec-Mountainbike-Disc-Disc-nabe-Disk-Vorderradnabe

Would give you a cheapish 676g rear.

Again without nips etc., and probably closer to 300, than 200 notes.

Much as I love the idea of disc hub conversions, if you're trying to keep costs down I think you're much better just going for an On-one track rear.

While they may not be light the extra £50 odd allows you to buy more expensive but lighter spokes or rims. Lighter rims are more likely to be noticed than a light hub.

novatecs mentioned here^^ need a lot of fuss with axle, bearings and nuts
plus cog, etc that would be as heavy as low flange novatec, which is cheaper for the pair too

my thinking is xlite pillars + 2 x ironcross 28h + novatecs
1320g with tape, lockring and nippies included
sub 250 if done right

novatecs mentioned here^^ need a lot of fuss with axle, bearings and nuts
plus cog, etc that would be as heavy as low flange novatec, which is cheaper for the pair too

my thinking is xlite pillars + 2 x ironcross 28h + novatecs
1320g with tape, lockring and nippies included
sub 250 if done right

Those low flange novatecs are like hens teeth in anything but 32 hole though (seem to remember the catalogue listing 28, and maybe 24 hole. Cant be arsed to check the PDF on my work PC. Its doesnt like it).

But I agree. Much as its nice to post a flash sounding weenie wheelset. I would'nt bother with whole conversion thing myself.

I used Pillar PSR TB 2015 spokes for my 32, 3x, novatec low-flange, cxp33 wheels. They're like revolutions, so prone to wind up. Although I found them easier to use. They needed slight retruing after a few kms, and a fair amount of retensioning. But they've been solid ever since (I'm 86Kg).

Iron cross + novatec low flange + PSR TB 2015, 32-3x rear.

Iron cross + cheap'n'light road linked above + PSR TB 2015, 24-2x front. (saves like 100g over the novatec 32 3x frant)

I reckon I should be fine with 28h (between 75-80kg).
wonder how do the novatecs compare to superlight macks

I reckon I should be fine with 28h (between 75-80kg).
wonder how do the novatecs compare to superlight macks

The front Novatec front is pretty heavy really. Plus availability forces a 32 spoke front. Which most dont need. for 49 euros you could have a 65g 24 spoke front.

For the rear.Using the lighteight spokes is down to the build. I'm not 100% about putting a lot of tension into them with my limited skills. But assuming they're built well. Then FWIW I agree. Still the weight saving arent as big for the extra expense maybe.

The new stans Iron Cross would be a nice choice if you dont need the braking surface.

Comes in all-black 32, 28, and 24 drilled.

do not forget to think about your weight in relation to the drilling.
and the maximum air pressure for the iron cross rims are 51psi!

I am sourcing the novatecs directly so shouldnt be a problem with the 28h, but it is a good thought with the road hub.
I dont need a track nut on the front anyway, and will be happy with a front allen head skewer.
24h ironcross means even less for the spokes, which is good too..
I hate changing decisions!

do not forget to think about your weight in relation to the drilling.
and the maximum air pressure for the iron cross rims are 51psi!

your maximum pressure is 51 psi

this pressure is for tubeless, the clincher tyres take as they normally do

Was talking about wheels last night, still trying to decide what to go for, i think i want to spend a bit extra on foldable hardshells, lighter tubes and rim tape.

1. Gran Compe hubs, 32h Open pro's
   
2. Miche Primato 28h (if i can get some), IRD Cadence Road 390g, or similar rims.
   
   

ill be riding it every day over some rough stuff, so id want to trust it...

I dont need a track nut on the front anyway, and will be happy with a front allen head skewer.

american classic micro hub, only 58g (drillings are 18, 20, 24, 28)

aber das ist doch teuer schatzi

Do you commute on this set up wheels and all? Seems a good way to destroy nice parts.

Yep this is my commuter- think of it as research into the longevity of cheap Chinese carbon fibre wheels.

do not forget to think about your weight in relation to the drilling.
and the maximum air pressure for the iron cross rims are 51psi!

Pretty sure they take loads more with inners fitted.

I am sourcing the novatecs directly so shouldnt be a problem with the 28h, but it is a good thought with the road hub.
I dont need a track nut on the front anyway, and will be happy with a front allen head skewer.
24h ironcross means even less for the spokes, which is good too.
I hate changing decisions!

24 2x will be fine for the front.

The Novatech front is 159g, you have 8 more spokes + nipples, and it uses big heavy track nuts.
So a 65g road front, with a 15g bolt on ti skewer is going to be like 140-150g lighter. With little extra cost.

I'd probably just use the novatec rear to save pennys (how much is the mack?). Its a symmetrical build so you dont get the same max tension as a road wheel. So 28 spokes is fine.Just take time building if you use flexy spokes. I find it a touch tricky.

american classic micro hub, only 58g (drillings are 18, 20, 24, 28)

Dont these have smaller bearings to hit that weight?

Pretty sure they take loads more with inners fitted.

24 2x will be fine for the front.

The Novatech front is 159g, you have 8 more spokes + nipples, and it uses big heavy track nuts.
So a 65g road front, with a 15g bolt on ti skewer is going to be like 140-150g lighter. With little extra cost.

I'd probably just use the novatec rear to save pennys (how much is the mack?). Its a symmetrical build so you dont get the same max tension as a road wheel. So 28 spokes is fine.Just take time building if you use flexy spokes. I find it a touch tricky.

which is what I am probably going to do, road hub makes just so much more sense.

I wont be building them thankfully, whereas lacing is not a problem I find myself way too impatient to do it, save truing and tensioning...

Can some one link me to some wide low profile light weight rims? i'm struggling a bit here...

justridingalong - stan notubes

Yep this is my commuter- think of it as research into the longevity of cheap Chinese carbon fibre wheels.

I wonder if the braking surface would wear quicker than an alu one?
TBH I'm not sure it would. Although, if you'd gone 24 hole, 60mm deep front and back. You could've just swapped the rims when the front was worn ;)

Can some one link me to some wide low profile light weight rims? i'm struggling a bit here...

Velocity A23
H & son achetype
Stans ZTR 340

Could you safely run a 23c on it? think it was just mentioned that you can run 100+ psi on them to?

http://www.justridingalong.com/wheel-parts/rims/stans-notubes-ztr-iron-cross-32h-black.html

ill look for those, thanks!

Does anybody know of any double pedal straps that aren't leather? Ideally not too expensive.