Current Projects chat and miscellany

How much to send, coat and have returned?

I just e-mailed Bettablast looking for a cheap loacl job and they want £76. Seems steep to me. Thought postage would kill the idea of sending to a cheaper place though.

There is a thing called 'rough stuff'

Yeah I've read about the Rough Stuff Fellowship before. I've found some images of the trails I'm planing on taking:

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5146/5738660640_a446f5386f.jpg
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5268/5738512568_7edc463690_b.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Jkey5DB4abc/T0ilrxAKMLI/AAAAAAAAAhs/itL0olJRj_I/s1600/IMG_1902.JPG
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_X-YZ9kSTgPU/S0aYsB1cnwI/AAAAAAAAATg/gsgTWd2dXsg/s320/Old+Dunstan+Road+2.jpg
http://cyclingdutchgirl.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/pics-0008.jpg?w=450&h=253

My worry is that a 70s tourer, skinny frame tubes with less air cushioning it, will not be tough enough to handle this terrain.

How much to send, coat and have returned?

I just e-mailed Bettablast looking for a cheap loacl job and they want £76. Seems steep to me. Thought postage would kill the idea of sending to a cheaper place though.

£77 for powdercoat and lacquer, £24 for post. £101 all in.

Worth paying for people who are in the know I reckoned.

There is a thing called 'rough stuff', basically gravel paths, dirt roads, field crossings etc. which people on touring bikes have been doing for decades with no more adaptation than fitting slightly bigger and more treaded tyres.

Did that in the Lake District, a lots of fun.

There is a thing called 'rough stuff'.

^ this.

I do it most thursday nights in the summer /csb

dynamos, saddlebags, mudguards (with big clearance), cantis, Schwalbe Marathon or Landcruisers (sometimes 26in) and ratty old touring bikes and countryside.

And beer.

:)

noone in the transmission database seems to run a rear Phil track hub with Omniums... is there a compatability issue? (chainline etc)

also,

Some cog manufacturers are making cogs that are not ideal for use with Phil Wood hubs due to their thickness (which is generally a result of plating). For this reason, we do not recommend using Surly or Euro-Asia cogs with our track hubs. The additional thickness can result in stripping of the lockring and/or hub threads because there is not enough thread engagement.

does this mean that they are only recommended to be used with DA/Phil cogs?

Slavery isn't cheap my friend.

haha true, I don't actually have a Phil rear hub, and strangely never had any serious chainline issues on any of my fixed bikes (track or conversions) They were all probably a few mm off, but just wondering what the implications of buying a rear hub would be. Don't want it to sound like crickets live in there...or find out that it was incompatible in a mess of spokes, twisted steel and guts

^ this.

I do it most thursday nights in the summer /csb

dynamos, saddlebags, mudguards (with big clearance), cantis, Schwalbe Marathon or Landcruisers (sometimes 26in) and ratty old touring bikes and countryside.

And beer.

:)

Sounds like a goon 'un to me, just wish there was somewhere like that to ride anywhere near where I live, OS maps on route though, so will see.

noone in the transmission database seems to run a rear Phil track hub with Omniums... is there a compatability issue? (chainline etc)

also,

does this mean that they are only recommended to be used with DA/Phil cogs?

You can't use DA sprockets on the Phil hubs IIRC, as they are Campag threaded, which is silly as almost everybody else uses the Shimano thread.
Good business ploy for Phil to make you use their sprockets I guess.

Running EAI cog is fine.

Phil are just talking shit.

what about chainline?

transmission database.

Just checked and my bad, Ed is indeed right, the Phil hub thread is 1.37" x 24 TPI thread, just like the DA or EAI sprockets.

IIRC (and track record not great so far!) the Omniums are closer to a 45mm chainline though, which wasn't a problem for me as I was building up a 45mm chainline Goldtech rear hub for it.

Just measured mine to be sure, and yes, the Omnium cranks have a 45-46mm chainline.

Sounds like a goon 'un to me, just wish there was somewhere like that to ride anywhere near where I live, OS maps on route though, so will see.

You can't use DA sprockets on the Phil hubs IIRC, as they are Campag threaded, which is silly as almost everybody else uses the Shimano thread.
Good business ploy for Phil to make you use their sprockets I guess.

might as well get the cranks then you affluent man!

There is a thread on the Phil/EAI question. I recently asked Will formerly of HubJub fame what is the issue and here was his reply.

"The upmarket EAIs with titanium nitride coatings -- SuperStar and GoldMedal -- are coated over the threads. This makes the threads tighter than the specced pitch. As a result, they are a squeeze on Phils, and pretty much impossible on Royce. Experienced and careful people can 'tap out' the threads by working them repeatedly over an old steel BB cup and I have several customers using SS and GM on Phil with no problems, but the fitting is difficult enough for me to advise against generally. Basic steel EAIs are fine on Phil. The BB cup trick is still recommended, as it is for every fitting."

interesting advice. never thought of that but it makes sense

Why would anybody *not *buy Phil sprockets? They are easily the best money can buy. DuraAce are fine for paupers, nothing else is worth buying since it will either be no better than DA or nearly as expensive (or even more in the case of EAI Gold) as Phil

I got a tall pile of da's. Cheap sprockets i'd say. Chainrings, not so much wich is too bad because i like modulating gi in steps of 2 rather than 6 since i'm a small dude

DA sprockets will be fine on a Phil hub, and while they look as cheap as they are, they are generally round and properly hardened, which can't be said for every sprocket <£20

I have a Tange Falcon Threaded Headset on my Olmo (in the spray-shop) and the top most nut is pitted and l dont really want to put it back on, although the rest of it is in ace condition.. Does anyone have a replacement, or a recommendation of where to find one?
I am assuming its standard 1" headset or does anyone know if Olmo used a different sizing?

Just measured mine to be sure, and yes, the Omnium cranks have a 45-46mm chainline.

so it can't work properly with a phil hub/cog....?

There is a thread on the Phil/EAI question. I recently asked Will formerly of HubJub fame what is the issue and here was his reply.

"The upmarket EAIs with titanium nitride coatings -- SuperStar and GoldMedal -- are coated over the threads. This makes the threads tighter than the specced pitch. As a result, they are a squeeze on Phils, and pretty much impossible on Royce. Experienced and careful people can 'tap out' the threads by working them repeatedly over an old steel BB cup and I have several customers using SS and GM on Phil with no problems, but the fitting is difficult enough for me to advise against generally. Basic steel EAIs are fine on Phil. The BB cup trick is still recommended, as it is for every fitting."

Meh, I put a Gold Medal Pro on my Royce hubs. I'm pretty sure Andy Ellis has too? It was a fookin' tight fit, that's for sure.

Yup, he did.

^dibs on that Zen if you sell ;)