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Who would deliver my pizza?
OK, call for a cull rescinded.
I do support motorcycles in bus lanes as on the whole they are no worse than the average cyclist (albeit heavier and faster) and their prescence does mean that cars look for more than buses and taxis before pulling out or across. Scooters just seem to be more suicidal but that is probably more to do with the age and experience of the rider rather than the actual choice of bike. -
I like motorbikes in the bus lanes. Can be a bit like a kierin if you can hang onto a scooter as it approaches 30mph. A bit harder with a motorbike though
I agree that almost all scooter drivers are prats who need shooting.
I would never petition not to have motorbikes in the bus lane. Whats the point in upsetting our fellow road users. Motorcyclists are pretty courteous I find
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I find motorcyclists fine, generally good road users, but maybe I am biased as I love motorbikes and used to ride one. Of course you get idiots but this is true of all road users including cyclists
I am irritated that black cabs are allowed to use bus lanes - dirty, drive round empty for half the time, and many of the drivers think they have special road status - being able to share the bus lane probably reinforces this view
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Last night riding from the West End to Camberwelleee within five mins of each other had two scooters undertake me missing me by inches (OK maybe two feet) - first in the bus lane over Lambeth Bridge, and then on Albert Embankment - destroyed my 'general karma' to put it mildly.
Firm reminder that like Yossarian in Catch 22: everyone really is out to kill me.
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They are courteous, but it's a bit of a risk having both fast moving vehicles and slow moving vehicles in the same lane, even if the motorcyclists are decents.
what, like buses and cyclists?
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Its a bus lane.
Mixing speeds is a non-point. The majority of routes I use (and I'm sure others) don't have bus lanes. I 'mix speeds' all the time.
Its a city of ~£7.5m you've got to compromise, so get used to it or get out.
I can't remember who said it above but riding a mb in a bus lane is often a bit pointless. I've only been riding for a few months, but very quickly I've come to the conclusion that 80% of the time the centre of the road is better than the bus lane (esp as more drivers use their rearview mirrors than side mirrors). If I can see the whole way up it and traffics stopped I like having the option but I don't really care. So if it is safer scrap it, if it's negligible keep it.
On a general point, I get that everyone needs to vent, and that's fine, but I think allot of people need to ease up.
The massive increase in cycling has only really occurred recently. You can't expect everyone to suddenly adapt. Drink driving laws were introduced in the 70s, it took a generation for the drink driving message to really become part of peoples mentality.
For the record I use pretty much every mode of transport. I see cunts using every form of transport, from walking to taxis. I try not to be a cunt and always take note of peoples comments - going into the ASL on my motorbike for example.
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Mixing speeds is a non-point. The majority of routes I use (and I'm sure others) don't have bus lanes. I 'mix speeds' all the time.
That's not wrong, but you also want to have a certain logic to speed distribution on the streets. Slowest outside, faster inside. Pedestrians walk on separate footways. Then you get cyclists, who can move aside if necessary (naturally not as a default, but when it's appropriate. Buses stop a lot and are next in line. Taxis are permitted in most London bus lanes and already upset that hierarchy somewhat. If you then mix the very high burst speeds in that are often achieved by motorcyclists, you're likely to change this further. The study of the recent trial also found that motorcyclist speeds increased during the trial.
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I would never petition not to have motorbikes in the bus lane. Whats the point in upsetting our fellow road users. Motorcyclists are pretty courteous I find
Mike, this is not 'anti-motorcyclist'. It's mostly about not making transport policy without evidence, which is basically a big no-no. The outcome of the first trial has shown increases in collisions.
Before the trial, lots of people were claiming that there was no doubt that it would be safer.
Traffic and transportation aren't rocket science, but you do have to put some work into making sure you're on the right track. This was not done with the London trial(s).
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Personally i always used bus lanes when i needed to on my Motorbike or Scooter before they were authorised - as i think most Motorbikers did - i cant say i have noted any difference in my travels since it was legalised.
The simple fact is, accidents happen, muppets drive/ride/pedal everywhere, and are incessant quest to cut down accidents seemingly fails to ignore the fact that however tragic it may be, accidents happen.
The majority of cyclists lack of road awareness continues to be the biggest problem, more than ohter road users attitudes towards them
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Of course their speeds increased. They weren't forced to filter between lines of cars any more.
What I believe you are saying is that there should be a special lane in the outside of the carriageway for fast moving vehicles - motorcycles, sports cars and TricityBendix?No, TB just needs a bit of free airspace.
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Yes, a bright pink TB lane on the outside would liven up our streetscene.
Excess speed is probably related to the increase in motorcycle casualties in bus lanes. The proportion of them breaking the speed limit went from 37% to 47%. Highest speed recorded in a bus lane was 70mph. The number of casualties went up by 33% the number of serious casualties went up by 50%. On the comparison routes the number of casualties went down by 49%.
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